01-28-2011, 12:00 AM
The difference between "holograms" and "illusions" is the same as the difference between "reaffirmations from the world" around us and what most people call "coincidence."
The first implies an intelligent maker or someone sending a message. The second, an accidental play of light or circumstance.
The first implies intent,.. the second only accident and novelty.
Don Juan tried to get Carlos to see/experience another description of the world. But warned that to get caught up within that description was to miss the point. He wanted him to, by sneaking between the two worlds/description go on to become a man of knowledge.
By implication, he is saying there are at least three levels being discussed here. A "normal" person's description, a "sorcerer's description", and what a "man of knowledge" would expereince or understand. (which may or may not be a description at all)
This leads me to Lex's question;
"Which leaves us wondering what would filaments of light look like. They might not actually BE filaments of light but they look like them. So let me see these "things"that look like filaments of light and I will figure it out from there, right?" Lex
There may be nothing to figure out. Just accept the implications. To become aware of the filaments may just be becoming aware of higher forms than we are used to dealing with. It may very well go on forever.
Ge 28:11
And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
Ge 28:12
And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Ge 28:13
And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Ge 28:14
And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Ge 28:15
And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
Ge 28:16
And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.
So Jacob had a vision of a ladder which reached from heaven to earth. Angels ("Malkim" or messengers) were going up and down on it.
Sounds a lot like filiments that connect everything that is. And the malkim could be the "carriers" of those "reaffirmations" or "agreements from the world around us" that Don Juan tells Carlos about. Jacob was having a vision of "what is." What was going on around him that he was not aware of prior to this experience.
But the message, implication or moral of the story was not the ladder/ filaments at all.
It also wasn't the piece of ground he was lying on. (Which has caused wars for thousands of years and is still going on.)
It was the realization that the maker of the "hologram" would be with him wherever he was and that that awareness (or vision) would come to him again.
His "seed", to whom this awareness was also promised, are all those who would have the same realization.
Otherworldly visions can be overwhelming in appearance and scope, but the visual appearance pales in comparison to the implications contained within the event.
"Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift up a stone and you will find me there." Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas
To some, a rock is just a rock.
Visions, revelations and expanded awareness of our surroundings will always point to something more, something beyond.
Otherwise, what would be the point?
I don't think we will ever figure these things out. Just experience these things and learn to expect more to come.
Whether holograms, telegrams, candygrams,...or "experiences beyond the Norm",..It's the thought that counts.
The first implies an intelligent maker or someone sending a message. The second, an accidental play of light or circumstance.
The first implies intent,.. the second only accident and novelty.
Don Juan tried to get Carlos to see/experience another description of the world. But warned that to get caught up within that description was to miss the point. He wanted him to, by sneaking between the two worlds/description go on to become a man of knowledge.
By implication, he is saying there are at least three levels being discussed here. A "normal" person's description, a "sorcerer's description", and what a "man of knowledge" would expereince or understand. (which may or may not be a description at all)
This leads me to Lex's question;
"Which leaves us wondering what would filaments of light look like. They might not actually BE filaments of light but they look like them. So let me see these "things"that look like filaments of light and I will figure it out from there, right?" Lex
There may be nothing to figure out. Just accept the implications. To become aware of the filaments may just be becoming aware of higher forms than we are used to dealing with. It may very well go on forever.
Ge 28:11
And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
Ge 28:12
And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Ge 28:13
And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Ge 28:14
And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Ge 28:15
And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
Ge 28:16
And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.
So Jacob had a vision of a ladder which reached from heaven to earth. Angels ("Malkim" or messengers) were going up and down on it.
Sounds a lot like filiments that connect everything that is. And the malkim could be the "carriers" of those "reaffirmations" or "agreements from the world around us" that Don Juan tells Carlos about. Jacob was having a vision of "what is." What was going on around him that he was not aware of prior to this experience.
But the message, implication or moral of the story was not the ladder/ filaments at all.
It also wasn't the piece of ground he was lying on. (Which has caused wars for thousands of years and is still going on.)
It was the realization that the maker of the "hologram" would be with him wherever he was and that that awareness (or vision) would come to him again.
His "seed", to whom this awareness was also promised, are all those who would have the same realization.
Otherworldly visions can be overwhelming in appearance and scope, but the visual appearance pales in comparison to the implications contained within the event.
"Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift up a stone and you will find me there." Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas
To some, a rock is just a rock.
Visions, revelations and expanded awareness of our surroundings will always point to something more, something beyond.
Otherwise, what would be the point?
I don't think we will ever figure these things out. Just experience these things and learn to expect more to come.
Whether holograms, telegrams, candygrams,...or "experiences beyond the Norm",..It's the thought that counts.