02-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Lex, That old trick of asking questions, that you know the
answers to. I can best explain the difference between the old seers, the new
seers and the modern seers, by how they moved and or will move their assemblage
points, but will stay away from their relationship with intent. Nemo
Nemo I might from time to time engage in this sort of thing but this is not one of those time. I do not know what modern seers are or what they are up to according to CC's point of view. And your reply has not really helped clarify anything about modern seers for me.
I will from time to time point out DJ's point of view as presented by CC. One aspect of what I am doing is to point out the more unusual aspects of his world view, aspects I believe are not immediately accessible. I know for myself that when I first read CC there was a lot of these kinds of things that escaped me, I assume it is that way for others. My assumption about this is further bolstered that I do not see many others alluding to the these aspects when they write in the forums. Most of the conversations, there are exceptions, just seem to reiterate what CC thought. I see this as no different than Christians, who, when they speak and write seem to think Jesus is a Christian and that they are just like Jesus. So I know I am being provocative when I do this. Especially when it comes to new seer old seer outlines. I seem to be one of the few pressing this issue and rocking cozy appearances.
Most of what I read in sorcery circles falls squarely into the old seer category yet these writings are written by those who would consider themselves new seers. My assessment is not unfounded but is guided in the matter entirely by DJ who was the one who outlined these differences. Such an assessment would not have occurred to me had I not read what he is reported to have said concerning this. I personally have nothing against old seers. They are highly adventurous explorers of the unknown and offer exciting tales to ponder. Some times I wish I was one lol. There is certainly no expectation from me for those old seers to become new seers. I am just trying to clarify things that appear to have been muddied to me.
Ninth you asked me what I meant about the proverbial eye on the needle gate comment. According to DJ the truths concerning awareness are arranged in a specific order. The old seers were aware of these truths but not the order in which they were arranged. DJ is emphasizing the order over the truths themselves, (the order has power). Now that is what I have been pointing out. This was of utmost importance to DJ and the new seers but seems to have been largely overlooked these days. Honestly ask yourselves how often has this order been spoken of by the seers you know and ask yourself how much have you considered this order and what are your findings?
The first truth in the order is placed first for a reason. The way I see it is that if one does not understand the no object perspective that DJ talked of then when it comes to considering the other truths there will be a missing aspect to their consideration and it is that little hardly noticed difference that will have massive ramifications further down the line. Sort of like that camels gate in Jerusalem. In order to get through this gate one had to dispossess the camel of all ones personal goods. It was a tight squeeze. So if we bring with us all these objects into the world of sorcery their "presence" will effect how we handle the other truths what we do with them and how we SEE them. I believe DJ wishes to disencumber us of the clutter of objects and give us room to maneuver in the vast expanse (of no objects) as we handle these truths and how they were arranged. It is the order of the truths that impact us. It takes years of handling this to make progress and to see in the same manner that the new seers see.
Now if anyone following this thread who considers themselves a new seer and yet does not live up DJ's definition of a new seer it would be very informative to all as to how you bridge the divide between your world view and DJ's.
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answers to. I can best explain the difference between the old seers, the new
seers and the modern seers, by how they moved and or will move their assemblage
points, but will stay away from their relationship with intent. Nemo
Nemo I might from time to time engage in this sort of thing but this is not one of those time. I do not know what modern seers are or what they are up to according to CC's point of view. And your reply has not really helped clarify anything about modern seers for me.
I will from time to time point out DJ's point of view as presented by CC. One aspect of what I am doing is to point out the more unusual aspects of his world view, aspects I believe are not immediately accessible. I know for myself that when I first read CC there was a lot of these kinds of things that escaped me, I assume it is that way for others. My assumption about this is further bolstered that I do not see many others alluding to the these aspects when they write in the forums. Most of the conversations, there are exceptions, just seem to reiterate what CC thought. I see this as no different than Christians, who, when they speak and write seem to think Jesus is a Christian and that they are just like Jesus. So I know I am being provocative when I do this. Especially when it comes to new seer old seer outlines. I seem to be one of the few pressing this issue and rocking cozy appearances.
Most of what I read in sorcery circles falls squarely into the old seer category yet these writings are written by those who would consider themselves new seers. My assessment is not unfounded but is guided in the matter entirely by DJ who was the one who outlined these differences. Such an assessment would not have occurred to me had I not read what he is reported to have said concerning this. I personally have nothing against old seers. They are highly adventurous explorers of the unknown and offer exciting tales to ponder. Some times I wish I was one lol. There is certainly no expectation from me for those old seers to become new seers. I am just trying to clarify things that appear to have been muddied to me.
Ninth you asked me what I meant about the proverbial eye on the needle gate comment. According to DJ the truths concerning awareness are arranged in a specific order. The old seers were aware of these truths but not the order in which they were arranged. DJ is emphasizing the order over the truths themselves, (the order has power). Now that is what I have been pointing out. This was of utmost importance to DJ and the new seers but seems to have been largely overlooked these days. Honestly ask yourselves how often has this order been spoken of by the seers you know and ask yourself how much have you considered this order and what are your findings?
The first truth in the order is placed first for a reason. The way I see it is that if one does not understand the no object perspective that DJ talked of then when it comes to considering the other truths there will be a missing aspect to their consideration and it is that little hardly noticed difference that will have massive ramifications further down the line. Sort of like that camels gate in Jerusalem. In order to get through this gate one had to dispossess the camel of all ones personal goods. It was a tight squeeze. So if we bring with us all these objects into the world of sorcery their "presence" will effect how we handle the other truths what we do with them and how we SEE them. I believe DJ wishes to disencumber us of the clutter of objects and give us room to maneuver in the vast expanse (of no objects) as we handle these truths and how they were arranged. It is the order of the truths that impact us. It takes years of handling this to make progress and to see in the same manner that the new seers see.
Now if anyone following this thread who considers themselves a new seer and yet does not live up DJ's definition of a new seer it would be very informative to all as to how you bridge the divide between your world view and DJ's.
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