02-03-2011, 12:01 AM
lex icon wrote:
Bob,
Just a quick reply about mapping and making the unknown known.
We can as you said look at mapping in the sense of getting from here to there "directional" and I think this point to the idea of PATH a spiritual path even.
There is also the idea of mapping as corroborating experientially without reference to a Path
Hi Lex,
Yes experientially is the way I am seeing this discussion. There is no up, down, left, right. Only experience. and spiritual experience specifically. Relationships. Relationships between awarenesses and also priorities between them is another way to put it.
Order and sequence of those awarenesses are the difference between the old and new seers, if I am understanding you correctly.
There is that same idea in the Qabalah also. The paths (awarenesses) on the tree of life are approached differently by a "magician" than they would be by a "mystic." Same "map" different priorities and goals. Different world views.
The same can be said of the Old Testament concerning Jews and Christians. In fact the books are arranged in different order of sequence.
If you never "see" a rock as not a rock as a first experience,..a basis or foundation, it does not mean you never will. As more of the "mystic" school of thought, I believe that I am guided in these things by a higher intelligence. Most of my experiences have just "fallen on me" so to speak. I am fine with that because I believe that He who gives me these experiences knows better than me what I need and when I need it.
The end goal is what is important to me. The blanks will be filled in as I go along. Meaning that if I don't see a rock as not a rock today, I can, by inference, believe wholeheartedly that a rock is not a rock. That is because I have had other awarenesses that have demonstrated to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that the world is not what I thought it was. Again a foundation.
On the other hand, the steps along the way can be specifically chosen by the person on the Path and specifically sought out.
Or they can be allowed to come in the sequence that they come.
Bob,
Just a quick reply about mapping and making the unknown known.
We can as you said look at mapping in the sense of getting from here to there "directional" and I think this point to the idea of PATH a spiritual path even.
There is also the idea of mapping as corroborating experientially without reference to a Path
Hi Lex,
Yes experientially is the way I am seeing this discussion. There is no up, down, left, right. Only experience. and spiritual experience specifically. Relationships. Relationships between awarenesses and also priorities between them is another way to put it.
Order and sequence of those awarenesses are the difference between the old and new seers, if I am understanding you correctly.
There is that same idea in the Qabalah also. The paths (awarenesses) on the tree of life are approached differently by a "magician" than they would be by a "mystic." Same "map" different priorities and goals. Different world views.
The same can be said of the Old Testament concerning Jews and Christians. In fact the books are arranged in different order of sequence.
If you never "see" a rock as not a rock as a first experience,..a basis or foundation, it does not mean you never will. As more of the "mystic" school of thought, I believe that I am guided in these things by a higher intelligence. Most of my experiences have just "fallen on me" so to speak. I am fine with that because I believe that He who gives me these experiences knows better than me what I need and when I need it.
The end goal is what is important to me. The blanks will be filled in as I go along. Meaning that if I don't see a rock as not a rock today, I can, by inference, believe wholeheartedly that a rock is not a rock. That is because I have had other awarenesses that have demonstrated to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that the world is not what I thought it was. Again a foundation.
On the other hand, the steps along the way can be specifically chosen by the person on the Path and specifically sought out.
Or they can be allowed to come in the sequence that they come.