02-03-2011, 12:01 AM
lex icon wrote:
Hi Lex and all,
Relationships between awarenesses and also priorities between them is another way to put it.
Order and sequence of those awarenesses are the difference between the old and new seers, if I am understanding you correctly. Bob May
"There are untold dangers in the path of knowledge for those without sober understanding," he continued.
"I am outlining the order in which in which the new seers arranged the truths about awareness. so it will serve you as a map, a map that you have to corroborate with your seeing, but not with your eyes." FFW
Bob,
Just a quick reply about mapping and making the unknown known.
We can as you said look at mapping in the sense of getting from here to there "directional" and I think this point to the idea of PATH a spiritual path even.
There is also the idea of mapping as corroborating experientially without reference to a Path
Yes, there are untold dangers. Places we would rather not be and places that are difficult to get out of. and when I say places I am speaking of conscious awareness, let me make that clear.
Maps are created by those who have gone before for those who come after. And for those who come before to understand what they themselves have experienced in relation to what they will experience.
Paths on the tree of life are both subjective (awarenesses) and objective (road signs or landmarks).
The allegory of Jacob's ladder is an example of an objective landmark. You Are Here. Evidence that it is for those that come after is that he set up a stone there to mark the spot. There is no stone. The stone signifies a marker to those that come after that what his vision implies (the awareness and realisation he came to) were important in a foundational sense. The realisation/s that Jacob came to (or came to Jacob would be more accurate), others (his seed after him) will also have to come to if they are to continue on the same Path.
Foundational realizations are not necessarily bound to any one belief system or religion. I see parallels with Don Juan's description of the Great Emanations with Jacob's dream/vision as I said before.
But more importantly, I see parallels with what they both took away from the experience.
Jacob said that surely God was in the place but he knew it not.
Don Juan said that there was no difference between the religious man's viewpoint and a man of knowledges viewpoint.
Only a different way of saying the same thing. It was the Love Of God.
There was someone standing at the top of the ladder. Someone or something is in charge. Someone or something is arranging Reality in such a way as to present opportunities to those who wish to see more, can do so. Those that wish to ignore the maps can do so.
Don Juan's teachings, the bible and the study of the tree of life are such roadmaps.
On the other hand, I believe we are living within the map.
-I have respect for Carlos as a conveyor of information. I know the excercises in the JTI book, stopping internal dialog, not doing, leaving everything you knew, etc. work! It is a how to book about opening doors into the unknown. Beyond that, I have less confidence in them.
-The Pope is a political appointee. There were many. Some might be nice guys and some might have known some things.
-I was accused of being Catholic on this forum too. No big thing.
- I've been accused of being "demon possessed" by members of my former church and my own teacher and pastor right from the Sunday pulpit too. No big thing. Did it stop me from being a Christian? Of course not. Like I said I will "hold my own council", just like Yoda. That is with the help of the roadmaps of the bible and Qabala and the personal experiences that have and will be given to me by the one standing at the top of the ladder. That is Jesus. That is my Path.
Hi Ninth,
I could speculate on the Eagle.
One of the first experiences I had during meditation was right after an invocation of all the powers on the tree of life. Angels, Archangels, God names etc., in the book entitled The Greater Keys of Solomon.
It started out to be one of the best meditations I had ever had. Then a slight twinge of fear ran through me and everything changed.
I went into a dark plane. Total darkness and hopelessness. I thought I had committed the unpardonable sin. There was no presence of God and no light. Hard to describe, but later I found a phrase in the story of the Plagues in Egypt when the whole land was cursed by a "Darkness which could even be felt". This seemed to be what it was.
I was unable to meditate after that for several years because whenever I tried I would begin going to that place again.
It was something I had to face and overcome.
This may or may not be what Don Juan describes as an enormous black Eagle that eats mens souls and which we have to sneak past in order to continue living after death.
In the Qabala there are supposedly three levels of "hell". The "Plane of Darkness", which is what I believe I experienced, and the "Plane of Decaying Souls", of which I have read what sounds like descriptions in many after life near death experiences, etc. The third escapes my memory now.
Hi Lex and all,
Relationships between awarenesses and also priorities between them is another way to put it.
Order and sequence of those awarenesses are the difference between the old and new seers, if I am understanding you correctly. Bob May
"There are untold dangers in the path of knowledge for those without sober understanding," he continued.
"I am outlining the order in which in which the new seers arranged the truths about awareness. so it will serve you as a map, a map that you have to corroborate with your seeing, but not with your eyes." FFW
Bob,
Just a quick reply about mapping and making the unknown known.
We can as you said look at mapping in the sense of getting from here to there "directional" and I think this point to the idea of PATH a spiritual path even.
There is also the idea of mapping as corroborating experientially without reference to a Path
Yes, there are untold dangers. Places we would rather not be and places that are difficult to get out of. and when I say places I am speaking of conscious awareness, let me make that clear.
Maps are created by those who have gone before for those who come after. And for those who come before to understand what they themselves have experienced in relation to what they will experience.
Paths on the tree of life are both subjective (awarenesses) and objective (road signs or landmarks).
The allegory of Jacob's ladder is an example of an objective landmark. You Are Here. Evidence that it is for those that come after is that he set up a stone there to mark the spot. There is no stone. The stone signifies a marker to those that come after that what his vision implies (the awareness and realisation he came to) were important in a foundational sense. The realisation/s that Jacob came to (or came to Jacob would be more accurate), others (his seed after him) will also have to come to if they are to continue on the same Path.
Foundational realizations are not necessarily bound to any one belief system or religion. I see parallels with Don Juan's description of the Great Emanations with Jacob's dream/vision as I said before.
But more importantly, I see parallels with what they both took away from the experience.
Jacob said that surely God was in the place but he knew it not.
Don Juan said that there was no difference between the religious man's viewpoint and a man of knowledges viewpoint.
Only a different way of saying the same thing. It was the Love Of God.
There was someone standing at the top of the ladder. Someone or something is in charge. Someone or something is arranging Reality in such a way as to present opportunities to those who wish to see more, can do so. Those that wish to ignore the maps can do so.
Don Juan's teachings, the bible and the study of the tree of life are such roadmaps.
On the other hand, I believe we are living within the map.
-I have respect for Carlos as a conveyor of information. I know the excercises in the JTI book, stopping internal dialog, not doing, leaving everything you knew, etc. work! It is a how to book about opening doors into the unknown. Beyond that, I have less confidence in them.
-The Pope is a political appointee. There were many. Some might be nice guys and some might have known some things.
-I was accused of being Catholic on this forum too. No big thing.
- I've been accused of being "demon possessed" by members of my former church and my own teacher and pastor right from the Sunday pulpit too. No big thing. Did it stop me from being a Christian? Of course not. Like I said I will "hold my own council", just like Yoda. That is with the help of the roadmaps of the bible and Qabala and the personal experiences that have and will be given to me by the one standing at the top of the ladder. That is Jesus. That is my Path.
Hi Ninth,
I could speculate on the Eagle.
One of the first experiences I had during meditation was right after an invocation of all the powers on the tree of life. Angels, Archangels, God names etc., in the book entitled The Greater Keys of Solomon.
It started out to be one of the best meditations I had ever had. Then a slight twinge of fear ran through me and everything changed.
I went into a dark plane. Total darkness and hopelessness. I thought I had committed the unpardonable sin. There was no presence of God and no light. Hard to describe, but later I found a phrase in the story of the Plagues in Egypt when the whole land was cursed by a "Darkness which could even be felt". This seemed to be what it was.
I was unable to meditate after that for several years because whenever I tried I would begin going to that place again.
It was something I had to face and overcome.
This may or may not be what Don Juan describes as an enormous black Eagle that eats mens souls and which we have to sneak past in order to continue living after death.
In the Qabala there are supposedly three levels of "hell". The "Plane of Darkness", which is what I believe I experienced, and the "Plane of Decaying Souls", of which I have read what sounds like descriptions in many after life near death experiences, etc. The third escapes my memory now.