02-17-2011, 12:01 AM
Lex:
We have the challenge and opportunity to face the unknown daily!!!
The unknowable is anything we’ve NOT experienced!!!
Death
for example. By the time we get to death, it’s no longer the
unknowable; it’s now become the unknown as we move into the realm of
experience, and then immediately it becomes the known. That movement
from unknowable, to unknown, to known, happens in a millisecond-
Jessicar.
You are very emphatic about what you are expressing here and I judge by the exclamation points you fervently believe this.
The unknowable is anything we’ve NOT experienced!!! Jessicar
So is the unknown!!!
Death for example. By the time we get to death, it’s no longer the unknowable; Jessicar
If
as you say Death is unknowable, then how can it become known? Death
cannot be both unknowable and known, that just doesn’t make sense.
On
the other hand we have the known and anything knowable. Anything
knowable can also refer to what has not be known yet, which we would
designate the unknown, that which is in the realm of the knowable.
Yes, I was emphatic, you're right. I was emphatic because suddenly it became clear to me that an error that is often made with the known, the unknown, and the unknowable is to think of them linearly--as though one comes after the other and never out of order. Let me see if I can explain it again in a clearer manner.
By the way, I've been out of the country for the past few months---hence, my CC books are unavailable to me. I like that that is the case because if I was at home, I would be tempted to enter this conversation with underlining in hand---something I've been trying to say all along becomes a trap against standing on the edge of the nagual staring at infinity itself. I was recently at a conference where there were "rules" placed on the board before discussion started. One of the "rules" was "No Pet Rocks"; I loved that! How often do we engage in a discussion and too readily pull out the "old saw" and begin with our well worn (CC) agenda. Sometimes the act of quoting (anyone) feels like a pet rock to me.
So my moment of epiphany was about how the known, unknown, and unknowable swirl around us all of the time---they're not a linear progression, as in first we know, then move into the unknown, and the unknowable is always out in front of us, never quite arrived upon. My example was death. None of us have experienced death, period, so for us it is unknowable. Sure, there's a metaphoric and symbolic death but none of us has permanently left our bodies and no longer reside in them. We only talk about death--and we talk and talk until we feel as though we know. But we don't--we can only move from the known to the unknown regarding death at the moment we enter into death itself. And the moment we've crossed over into death, we enter the unknowable--a state that can only be experienced at the very moment it occurs. The unknowable only really lasts a millisecond because then it becomes the known. I see the unknown as a process--a process of becomeing the known; it's more permeable than the unknowable.
Here's a different example. I know only a little about ETs--I've had a brief encounter here and there, a little known, a lot unknown. I consider what they know about me (or the human race) as the unknowable. Until, and if I'm abducted by them, (i.e. have further experience with them) their knowledge of me is completely out of my purview to even surmise about.
I was lying in bed this morning thinking of the three "knowings" as being all the same thing---except in different states, much like water is liquid, gas, and solid. Seems we've concretized them into discreet categories as though they're dangerous to confuse. Yes, I see the danger in this--if I cross over into death of the body, I'd be hard pressed to return to the unknown. The old seers crossed over into immortality, and didn't realize there was no turning back. What I was expressing was the immediacy of all three states, they're non-linearity, and the potential for permeability between them--with the exception of the unknowable, which can lend itself to irreversibility.
We have the challenge and opportunity to face the unknown daily!!!
The unknowable is anything we’ve NOT experienced!!!
Death
for example. By the time we get to death, it’s no longer the
unknowable; it’s now become the unknown as we move into the realm of
experience, and then immediately it becomes the known. That movement
from unknowable, to unknown, to known, happens in a millisecond-
Jessicar.
You are very emphatic about what you are expressing here and I judge by the exclamation points you fervently believe this.
The unknowable is anything we’ve NOT experienced!!! Jessicar
So is the unknown!!!
Death for example. By the time we get to death, it’s no longer the unknowable; Jessicar
If
as you say Death is unknowable, then how can it become known? Death
cannot be both unknowable and known, that just doesn’t make sense.
On
the other hand we have the known and anything knowable. Anything
knowable can also refer to what has not be known yet, which we would
designate the unknown, that which is in the realm of the knowable.
Yes, I was emphatic, you're right. I was emphatic because suddenly it became clear to me that an error that is often made with the known, the unknown, and the unknowable is to think of them linearly--as though one comes after the other and never out of order. Let me see if I can explain it again in a clearer manner.
By the way, I've been out of the country for the past few months---hence, my CC books are unavailable to me. I like that that is the case because if I was at home, I would be tempted to enter this conversation with underlining in hand---something I've been trying to say all along becomes a trap against standing on the edge of the nagual staring at infinity itself. I was recently at a conference where there were "rules" placed on the board before discussion started. One of the "rules" was "No Pet Rocks"; I loved that! How often do we engage in a discussion and too readily pull out the "old saw" and begin with our well worn (CC) agenda. Sometimes the act of quoting (anyone) feels like a pet rock to me.
So my moment of epiphany was about how the known, unknown, and unknowable swirl around us all of the time---they're not a linear progression, as in first we know, then move into the unknown, and the unknowable is always out in front of us, never quite arrived upon. My example was death. None of us have experienced death, period, so for us it is unknowable. Sure, there's a metaphoric and symbolic death but none of us has permanently left our bodies and no longer reside in them. We only talk about death--and we talk and talk until we feel as though we know. But we don't--we can only move from the known to the unknown regarding death at the moment we enter into death itself. And the moment we've crossed over into death, we enter the unknowable--a state that can only be experienced at the very moment it occurs. The unknowable only really lasts a millisecond because then it becomes the known. I see the unknown as a process--a process of becomeing the known; it's more permeable than the unknowable.
Here's a different example. I know only a little about ETs--I've had a brief encounter here and there, a little known, a lot unknown. I consider what they know about me (or the human race) as the unknowable. Until, and if I'm abducted by them, (i.e. have further experience with them) their knowledge of me is completely out of my purview to even surmise about.
I was lying in bed this morning thinking of the three "knowings" as being all the same thing---except in different states, much like water is liquid, gas, and solid. Seems we've concretized them into discreet categories as though they're dangerous to confuse. Yes, I see the danger in this--if I cross over into death of the body, I'd be hard pressed to return to the unknown. The old seers crossed over into immortality, and didn't realize there was no turning back. What I was expressing was the immediacy of all three states, they're non-linearity, and the potential for permeability between them--with the exception of the unknowable, which can lend itself to irreversibility.