02-18-2011, 12:01 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Ah, now we come to the question...what can sorcery be used for? Is it a 'negative' or is it neutral? Can one combine the mystic and the magician, use magic to move towards mystic expereinces?
As for myself I would say I did exactly that. My first expeiences beyond "normal" were after practicing the methods in the JTI book for a few years. To stop the world using sorcery practices is still stopping the world. It may not be a positive experience but it is an expanding of awareness from the known into the unknown.
The same can be said for magical practices. If you invoke an angel and it comes, you have expanded your awareness of this world we live in.
But in my opinion these are the opening of doors. We, many times, end up in a very negative place at first but if the doors are never opened can we ever go on to higher realms?
Even the "Promised Land" in the bible had giants to contend with.
Neither the old seer or new seer is in any way shape or form, an average men. What separates the average men from the new seers of today?
Average men have not opened the doors or seen.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity."
I get the feeling that some in this thread may not agree with this definition of new seer. If such is the case, then what is Castaneda's legacy supposed to help us do?
It probably depends on your definition of infinite. This "earth-plane " is infinite, in my opinion. there is no evidence that they can see to the ends of outer space or that they have found the smallest subatomic particles as yet. The next plane outside of this one ("lower astral light" or "the sorcerer's world?") must also be infinite in much the same way. And so on up through the various planes...
For me Castenedas legacy was to prove to myself that there is something beyond this visible world... A starting point.
And to point out that this too can be an illusion and a trap. So, in effect, it means that there are more realities beyond the sorcerer's world. Subsequent studies and practices have proven to me that both are true."I've mentioned to you that sorcery is something like entering a dead-end street," he replied. "What I meant was that sorcery practices have no intrinsic value. Their worth is indirect, for their real function is to make the assemblage point shift by making the first attention release its control on that point.”
I've never seen an assemblage point but I have experienced the first attention fade to nothing in many various ways. Firstly by practicing the techniques in JTI and later by study and meditations. So I guess I would agree.
It seems to me the same things can be accomplished by moving your consciousness to various places within and around the body and remaining in those places while stopping all other thoughts.
So, if there is an assemblage point, these meditation techniques would be another way to move it.
Ah, now we come to the question...what can sorcery be used for? Is it a 'negative' or is it neutral? Can one combine the mystic and the magician, use magic to move towards mystic expereinces?
As for myself I would say I did exactly that. My first expeiences beyond "normal" were after practicing the methods in the JTI book for a few years. To stop the world using sorcery practices is still stopping the world. It may not be a positive experience but it is an expanding of awareness from the known into the unknown.
The same can be said for magical practices. If you invoke an angel and it comes, you have expanded your awareness of this world we live in.
But in my opinion these are the opening of doors. We, many times, end up in a very negative place at first but if the doors are never opened can we ever go on to higher realms?
Even the "Promised Land" in the bible had giants to contend with.
Neither the old seer or new seer is in any way shape or form, an average men. What separates the average men from the new seers of today?
Average men have not opened the doors or seen.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity."
I get the feeling that some in this thread may not agree with this definition of new seer. If such is the case, then what is Castaneda's legacy supposed to help us do?
It probably depends on your definition of infinite. This "earth-plane " is infinite, in my opinion. there is no evidence that they can see to the ends of outer space or that they have found the smallest subatomic particles as yet. The next plane outside of this one ("lower astral light" or "the sorcerer's world?") must also be infinite in much the same way. And so on up through the various planes...
For me Castenedas legacy was to prove to myself that there is something beyond this visible world... A starting point.
And to point out that this too can be an illusion and a trap. So, in effect, it means that there are more realities beyond the sorcerer's world. Subsequent studies and practices have proven to me that both are true."I've mentioned to you that sorcery is something like entering a dead-end street," he replied. "What I meant was that sorcery practices have no intrinsic value. Their worth is indirect, for their real function is to make the assemblage point shift by making the first attention release its control on that point.”
I've never seen an assemblage point but I have experienced the first attention fade to nothing in many various ways. Firstly by practicing the techniques in JTI and later by study and meditations. So I guess I would agree.
It seems to me the same things can be accomplished by moving your consciousness to various places within and around the body and remaining in those places while stopping all other thoughts.
So, if there is an assemblage point, these meditation techniques would be another way to move it.