02-18-2011, 12:01 AM
OK so now we are talking great! I will just take some of the CC quotes posted by RainbowDiamond Unicorn.
Sometimes this all gets a little confusing so we need to keep looking at this from different angles to actually see what is being said at different times.
"Those conquerors," he went on, "took over the Toltec world - they appropriated everything - but they never learned to see.
"Who were those conquerors, don Juan?"
"' Other Indians," he said. "When the Spaniards came, the old seers had been gone for centuries, but there was a new breed of seers who were starting to secure their place in a new cycle."
Now some might have thought that DJ was referring to Spaniards as the conquerors that CC has DJ saying elsewhere as the ones that “bashed in the old seers heads”, I know I did. But as we can see from this quote CC has DJ saying the conquerors were other indians and that the old seers were long gone. Then we get another reference to the new cycle this time being linked to the new seers not the “modern seers”.
Sometimes DJ/CC says it was because of the interjection of the Tenant 1729 into the lineage that the new cycle began. Elsewhere DJ/CC says it began when the new seers made the distinction on the unknowable and started to separate from the unknown. Elsewhere DJ/CC says it has not yet began and if it is to come it must come of itself no one can assume the responsibility to try and make it happen.
You see we have to sift through this stuff carefully because the presentation shifts depending on what point CC or DJ is trying to make. Probably CC was confused about what DJ was saying.
“It was in his teachings for the left side that don Juan let on what he, don Genaro, and their companions were really doing to me, and who they were. They were not teaching me sorcery, but how to master three aspects of an ancient knowledge they possessed: awareness, stalking, and intent. And they were not sorcerers; they were seers. And don Juan was not only a seer, but also a nagual.”
So here CC says DJ and Genaro were teaching him three aspects of a knowledge they possessed, Awareness, stalking and intent. Now he did not mention dreaming among the three aspects. Dreaming of course was the prowess of the old seers. And this leads into yet another designation men of knowledge.
“Sorcerers have learned after generations of using power plants to account in their views for everything that is accountable about them. I would say that sorcerers, by using their will, have succeeded in enlarging their views of the world. My teacher and benefactor were the clearest examples of that. They were men of great power, but they were not men of knowledge. They never broke the bounds of their enormous views and thus they never arrived at the totality of themselves, yet they knew about it. It wasn’t that they lived aberrant lives, claiming things beyond their reach; they knew that they had missed the boat and that only at their death would the total mystery be revealed to them. Sorcery had given them only a glimpse but never the real means to get to that evasive totality of oneself.”
I would say that sorcerers, by using their will, have succeeded in enlarging their views of the world.
Isn’t this what all spiritualities strive for, whether or not through the use of power plants, to open and expand to new possibilities, increasing awareness and knowledge, expanding the known by exploring the unknown, so why would DJ have a problem with that?
My teacher and benefactor were the clearest examples of that. They were men of great power, but they were not men of knowledge. They never broke the bounds of their enormous views (massive edifices of speculation) and thus they never arrived at the totality of themselves.
So DJ teachers did not arrive at the “totality of themselves” even though they were master stalkers and dreamers. What was it about their “enormous views” that prevented that? And why was stalking and dreaming of no help to them in this regard?
Trying to understand DJ as presented by CC is not an easy task. IT was certainly difficult for CC who was right there conversing with him.
Sometimes this all gets a little confusing so we need to keep looking at this from different angles to actually see what is being said at different times.
"Those conquerors," he went on, "took over the Toltec world - they appropriated everything - but they never learned to see.
"Who were those conquerors, don Juan?"
"' Other Indians," he said. "When the Spaniards came, the old seers had been gone for centuries, but there was a new breed of seers who were starting to secure their place in a new cycle."
Now some might have thought that DJ was referring to Spaniards as the conquerors that CC has DJ saying elsewhere as the ones that “bashed in the old seers heads”, I know I did. But as we can see from this quote CC has DJ saying the conquerors were other indians and that the old seers were long gone. Then we get another reference to the new cycle this time being linked to the new seers not the “modern seers”.
Sometimes DJ/CC says it was because of the interjection of the Tenant 1729 into the lineage that the new cycle began. Elsewhere DJ/CC says it began when the new seers made the distinction on the unknowable and started to separate from the unknown. Elsewhere DJ/CC says it has not yet began and if it is to come it must come of itself no one can assume the responsibility to try and make it happen.
You see we have to sift through this stuff carefully because the presentation shifts depending on what point CC or DJ is trying to make. Probably CC was confused about what DJ was saying.
“It was in his teachings for the left side that don Juan let on what he, don Genaro, and their companions were really doing to me, and who they were. They were not teaching me sorcery, but how to master three aspects of an ancient knowledge they possessed: awareness, stalking, and intent. And they were not sorcerers; they were seers. And don Juan was not only a seer, but also a nagual.”
So here CC says DJ and Genaro were teaching him three aspects of a knowledge they possessed, Awareness, stalking and intent. Now he did not mention dreaming among the three aspects. Dreaming of course was the prowess of the old seers. And this leads into yet another designation men of knowledge.
“Sorcerers have learned after generations of using power plants to account in their views for everything that is accountable about them. I would say that sorcerers, by using their will, have succeeded in enlarging their views of the world. My teacher and benefactor were the clearest examples of that. They were men of great power, but they were not men of knowledge. They never broke the bounds of their enormous views and thus they never arrived at the totality of themselves, yet they knew about it. It wasn’t that they lived aberrant lives, claiming things beyond their reach; they knew that they had missed the boat and that only at their death would the total mystery be revealed to them. Sorcery had given them only a glimpse but never the real means to get to that evasive totality of oneself.”
I would say that sorcerers, by using their will, have succeeded in enlarging their views of the world.
Isn’t this what all spiritualities strive for, whether or not through the use of power plants, to open and expand to new possibilities, increasing awareness and knowledge, expanding the known by exploring the unknown, so why would DJ have a problem with that?
My teacher and benefactor were the clearest examples of that. They were men of great power, but they were not men of knowledge. They never broke the bounds of their enormous views (massive edifices of speculation) and thus they never arrived at the totality of themselves.
So DJ teachers did not arrive at the “totality of themselves” even though they were master stalkers and dreamers. What was it about their “enormous views” that prevented that? And why was stalking and dreaming of no help to them in this regard?
Trying to understand DJ as presented by CC is not an easy task. IT was certainly difficult for CC who was right there conversing with him.