02-18-2011, 12:01 AM
I want to express my admiration and gratitude to a masterful teacher, H.Y.L. for helping me restore my energy, and for teaching me an alternate way to plenitude and well-being. (CC)
This is a very obscure quote from an initial page of my copy of Fire From Within. Its there at the very beginning of the book. I do not know who CC is referring to. HYL?? But another teacher has shown him "an alternate way".
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:The old seers were more into achieving power both dark and light, they enlisted the inorganics and some even became tenants and found ways to "live forever". The new seers want to make the knowledge more mainstream and enlighten humanity with dreaming and shifts. The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity.
Neither the old seer or new seer is in any way shape or form, an average men. What separates the average men from the new seers of today?
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity."
I get the feeling that some in this thread may not agree with this definition of new seer. If such is the case, then what is Castaneda's legacy supposed to help us do? Nu Lang.
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity." LW
Well yes CC has handed down the teachings of DJ to us as best he could, but the new seers were around long before CC was. So some clarification from LW on this point would be helpful. To just take this statement of LW’s out of context could be misleading. Not trying to put words in your mouth LW.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Now when I first read TAOD I thought it was written by a different person not CC. But then I grew accustomed to it. CC was no longer the student he was now the teacher and had at least mastered dreaming.
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
Now the Active Side of Infinity came out around this time and a little later Encounters With The Nagual, Armando Torres. Also the Tensegrity seminars were introduced with TAOD.
The term “Modern Seers” seems to have found traction amongst those who are partial to Dreaming and the information found in these later works. Much of the teachings of the modern seers seems to revolve around dreaming and the foreign installation and how these later teachings of CC might “help” the world.
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ?
And concerning the case of a “Three Pronged Nagual” that might well be but the designs of intent are able to use such a being no matter their calibre, even in spite of themselves.
This is a very obscure quote from an initial page of my copy of Fire From Within. Its there at the very beginning of the book. I do not know who CC is referring to. HYL?? But another teacher has shown him "an alternate way".
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:The old seers were more into achieving power both dark and light, they enlisted the inorganics and some even became tenants and found ways to "live forever". The new seers want to make the knowledge more mainstream and enlighten humanity with dreaming and shifts. The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity.
Neither the old seer or new seer is in any way shape or form, an average men. What separates the average men from the new seers of today?
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity."
I get the feeling that some in this thread may not agree with this definition of new seer. If such is the case, then what is Castaneda's legacy supposed to help us do? Nu Lang.
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity." LW
Well yes CC has handed down the teachings of DJ to us as best he could, but the new seers were around long before CC was. So some clarification from LW on this point would be helpful. To just take this statement of LW’s out of context could be misleading. Not trying to put words in your mouth LW.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Now when I first read TAOD I thought it was written by a different person not CC. But then I grew accustomed to it. CC was no longer the student he was now the teacher and had at least mastered dreaming.
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
Now the Active Side of Infinity came out around this time and a little later Encounters With The Nagual, Armando Torres. Also the Tensegrity seminars were introduced with TAOD.
The term “Modern Seers” seems to have found traction amongst those who are partial to Dreaming and the information found in these later works. Much of the teachings of the modern seers seems to revolve around dreaming and the foreign installation and how these later teachings of CC might “help” the world.
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ?
And concerning the case of a “Three Pronged Nagual” that might well be but the designs of intent are able to use such a being no matter their calibre, even in spite of themselves.