02-18-2011, 12:01 AM
lex icon wrote:
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ?
I see it the same way as you do Lex.
I "lived" the first four Castaneda books. Left my home and family and a successful band. Moved 300 miles from everyone I knew. I walked for miles each day with my eyes crossed, practiced not doing and attempted turning off my internal dialog anytime I did not have to speak to people. For about a year and a half. I was completely obsessed with it.
I "stopped the world" (which is a very real experience) and ended up in two worlds at once surrounded by inorganics and people who had demon's faces and constant reaffirmations etc., etc., This lasted for months. I know the methods work!!!
I was reading the books before the forth book was even published. After the first four books there are only pieces that are of much use. I think Carlos did exactly as you are implying. He got caught in the sorcerer's world instead of as, Don Juan told him, Realize that that world is only a description too. He was supposed to become a "man of knowledge" by slipping " between the worlds." I think that is how Don Juan put it.
By the way your description of Known, Unknown, and Unknowable is perfectly clear. I can see that known and unknown are linear but unknowable is just that Unknowable.
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ?
I see it the same way as you do Lex.
I "lived" the first four Castaneda books. Left my home and family and a successful band. Moved 300 miles from everyone I knew. I walked for miles each day with my eyes crossed, practiced not doing and attempted turning off my internal dialog anytime I did not have to speak to people. For about a year and a half. I was completely obsessed with it.
I "stopped the world" (which is a very real experience) and ended up in two worlds at once surrounded by inorganics and people who had demon's faces and constant reaffirmations etc., etc., This lasted for months. I know the methods work!!!
I was reading the books before the forth book was even published. After the first four books there are only pieces that are of much use. I think Carlos did exactly as you are implying. He got caught in the sorcerer's world instead of as, Don Juan told him, Realize that that world is only a description too. He was supposed to become a "man of knowledge" by slipping " between the worlds." I think that is how Don Juan put it.
By the way your description of Known, Unknown, and Unknowable is perfectly clear. I can see that known and unknown are linear but unknowable is just that Unknowable.