02-19-2011, 12:01 AM
I get the feeling that some in this thread may not agree with this definition of new seer. If such is the case, then what is Castaneda's legacy supposed to help us do? Nu Lang.
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining. - Lex
Hi Lex, my question was a general question to the participants in this thread...just wanted that to be clear. I have read this thread from time to time and have a general impression, overall, that the focus is more on the theory of whats in the books, discussing what was meant, than an actual embracing of it. Almost like people want to sort it out so they can put it to rest and move in another direction...just my sense. So I wanted to know what that other direction was. The question didn't necessarily apply to you...I don't know if it does or not.
If one does not embrace sorcery, what will they be doing in the future? Because it through sorcery that we transcend the 'mundane', the fixed point of reference. So sorcery is a very important component in the experience and CC legacy as well. It cannot simply be discussed though, it must be learned and done.
I only made a brief statement about average men and that was to make clear that what they lack is sorcery, and what both the old and new seers had in common was ....sorcery.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity." LW
Well yes CC has handed down the teachings of DJ to us as best he could, but the new seers were around long before CC was. So some clarification from LW on this point would be helpful. To just take this statement of LW’s out of context could be misleading. Not trying to put words in your mouth LW. - Lex
I took that he meant it in reference to Ninth's question and what the new name of the forum was about...new seers, because, to be fair, I pulled this quote out of that section of naming the forum. So on Wolf's mind when he responded to Ninth I'm sure he was thinking of all of us, in reference to new seers. We are that legacy, we here.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Now when I first read TAOD I thought it was written by a different person not CC. But then I grew accustomed to it. CC was no longer the student he was now the teacher and had at least mastered dreaming.
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
Now the Active Side of Infinity came out around this time and a little later Encounters With The Nagual, Armando Torres. Also the Tensegrity seminars were introduced with TAOD.
The term “Modern Seers” seems to have found traction amongst those who are partial to Dreaming and the information found in these later works. Much of the teachings of the modern seers seems to revolve around dreaming and the foreign installation and how these later teachings of CC might “help” the world.
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ? - Lex
You bring some interesting points to light. Such as differences between he and DJ. Art of Dreaming and Tensegrity. To be honest, I don't make everything from his books a focus. Some I have embraced more than others. Such as the AP, the flyer, burning from within...the most basic components I guess. The fact that CC branched off makes sense to me, its what we are doing too, expanding on DJ rather than mimicing him exactly. I'm not sure if I would follow CC. I did do Tensegrity for a while. Its hard for me to say what kind of impact it had on me, so at this point in time I'd rather just say I'm not sure...it could have shifted me in ways I don't know about...not sure.
And concerning the case of a “Three Pronged Nagual” that might well be but the designs of intent are able to use such a being no matter their calibre, even in spite of themselves.
Yeah, I don't have a particular opinion on this. To me, its about what we can do with the legacy now, in our daily life, the here and now, us.
Nu Lang what I have been trying to bring to attention is DJ’s view as presented by CC, concerning what he thought old and new seers were and how they differed. Judging by the repeated warnings surrounding this issue DJ deemed it very important, probably because DJ considered CC’s predilection similar to the ancient seers. “Modern seers” would rather focus of the difference between seers in general from “average men”, as you have done here, and overlook the finer distinctions DJ was painstakingly explaining. - Lex
Hi Lex, my question was a general question to the participants in this thread...just wanted that to be clear. I have read this thread from time to time and have a general impression, overall, that the focus is more on the theory of whats in the books, discussing what was meant, than an actual embracing of it. Almost like people want to sort it out so they can put it to rest and move in another direction...just my sense. So I wanted to know what that other direction was. The question didn't necessarily apply to you...I don't know if it does or not.
If one does not embrace sorcery, what will they be doing in the future? Because it through sorcery that we transcend the 'mundane', the fixed point of reference. So sorcery is a very important component in the experience and CC legacy as well. It cannot simply be discussed though, it must be learned and done.
I only made a brief statement about average men and that was to make clear that what they lack is sorcery, and what both the old and new seers had in common was ....sorcery.
"The new seers are the legacy of Castaneda and use his insights and techniques to explore this vastness we call infinity." LW
Well yes CC has handed down the teachings of DJ to us as best he could, but the new seers were around long before CC was. So some clarification from LW on this point would be helpful. To just take this statement of LW’s out of context could be misleading. Not trying to put words in your mouth LW. - Lex
I took that he meant it in reference to Ninth's question and what the new name of the forum was about...new seers, because, to be fair, I pulled this quote out of that section of naming the forum. So on Wolf's mind when he responded to Ninth I'm sure he was thinking of all of us, in reference to new seers. We are that legacy, we here.
This is how I see it. CC was an apprentice of DJ. Nearly all his books are presenting the teachings of DJ not CC. CC goes through the introductory phase, intensive training and then left to recover what he was taught in heightened awareness in the hopes of gaining his totality. Then after a few years (about 6 years??) of silence he is back in the public eye with a new book,
The Art of Dreaming. (TAOD)
Now when I first read TAOD I thought it was written by a different person not CC. But then I grew accustomed to it. CC was no longer the student he was now the teacher and had at least mastered dreaming.
Then as I read further I was shocked to see he had disregarded all of DJ’s warnings regarding the inorganics and seemed to have embarked upon the path of the old sorcerers, they also were master dreamers intimate with inorganics and their realm. The only mention of stalking that gets any attention in this book is in reference to the twin positions and that is being taught him by the Tenant. CC paid dearly for disregarding DJ’s advice about the inorganics and it nearly cost him his life. (BTW teachings about dreaming have been around for centuries in other traditions).
Now the Active Side of Infinity came out around this time and a little later Encounters With The Nagual, Armando Torres. Also the Tensegrity seminars were introduced with TAOD.
The term “Modern Seers” seems to have found traction amongst those who are partial to Dreaming and the information found in these later works. Much of the teachings of the modern seers seems to revolve around dreaming and the foreign installation and how these later teachings of CC might “help” the world.
My on going questioning and inquiry is; do the later teachings of CC lend themselves to the teachings of DJ? - Lex
You bring some interesting points to light. Such as differences between he and DJ. Art of Dreaming and Tensegrity. To be honest, I don't make everything from his books a focus. Some I have embraced more than others. Such as the AP, the flyer, burning from within...the most basic components I guess. The fact that CC branched off makes sense to me, its what we are doing too, expanding on DJ rather than mimicing him exactly. I'm not sure if I would follow CC. I did do Tensegrity for a while. Its hard for me to say what kind of impact it had on me, so at this point in time I'd rather just say I'm not sure...it could have shifted me in ways I don't know about...not sure.
And concerning the case of a “Three Pronged Nagual” that might well be but the designs of intent are able to use such a being no matter their calibre, even in spite of themselves.
Yeah, I don't have a particular opinion on this. To me, its about what we can do with the legacy now, in our daily life, the here and now, us.