02-22-2011, 12:02 AM
Nu Lang, I love the way you explain things so concisely, it's nice to read. Especially since I don't have a lot of patience and have a hard time wading through wordy posts. Enchantra
Enchantra perhaps I can save you some time here so that you needn’t tax yourself. This is wordy post you may as well skip it, definitely not a “nice read” more of a struggle to clarify what is meant, to arrive at a common understanding essential to quality communication.
Ok, well its pretty much what we have been discussing. That the old seers were master sorcerers, but they realized that in death the mystery would be revealed and that was of which they had failed to do in their lifetime. NL
Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most.
The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL
"The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning."NL
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL
Well a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”?
Now I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly).
What was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this up because in this information age where information is so accessible and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their pre-existing inventory.
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL
So in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.
Sorcery is still a tool on the
journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing
to be contained by anything). NL
"Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.
Enchantra perhaps I can save you some time here so that you needn’t tax yourself. This is wordy post you may as well skip it, definitely not a “nice read” more of a struggle to clarify what is meant, to arrive at a common understanding essential to quality communication.
Ok, well its pretty much what we have been discussing. That the old seers were master sorcerers, but they realized that in death the mystery would be revealed and that was of which they had failed to do in their lifetime. NL
Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most.
The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL
"The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system, conditioning."NL
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL
Well a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”?
Now I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly).
What was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this up because in this information age where information is so accessible and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their pre-existing inventory.
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL
So in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.
Sorcery is still a tool on the
journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing
to be contained by anything). NL
"Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.