02-23-2011, 12:02 AM
lex icon wrote:Ok, well its pretty much what we have been discussing. That the old seers were master sorcerers, but they realized that in death the mystery would be revealed and that was of which they had failed to do in their lifetime. NL
Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most.
We can call them by any name Lex, ...most important is its understood that they waited, that the mystery was revealed to them by death.
lex icon wrote:The
perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to
overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system,
conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral
shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which
represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is
still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood
of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL
"The
perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to
overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system,
conditioning."NL
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL
Well
a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of
sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not
concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that
other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”?
Now
I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old
sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and
that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and
their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the
conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly).
What
was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this
up because in this information age where information is so accessible
and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old
seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever
realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their
pre-existing inventory.Sorcery does not "think". Its neutral and wielded by the user. So at first sorcerer were concerned with what they could uncover...but their own personal mortality was not considered. It was the new seers who learned to die a symbolic death and then move farther beyond what the previous sorcerers could do.
Now
I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old
sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movementsYes, Lex as I see it we do have to maintain a certain faith in the validity of what CC wrote, if we cannot do this...goodnight nurse...there is no foundation upon which to proceed. If we later see for ourselves a more concise explanation, then at that point we can update our understanding. Thus far...this is my understanding, just as you ask in that paragraph....the ability to move beyond lateral...and grants its a mostly visual explantion rather then it having to be of actual form. What we are doing here is garnering the intent to transcend/shift...visual imagery is most useful in this regard.
lex icon wrote:I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL
So
in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite
to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents
having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why
you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she
seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.haha, last line a bit of passive aggression? jk...sort of.
So
in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite
to “sneaking past the eagle”YES
Not sure what you meant here and why
you thought it so bold.
So bold as to incur the wrath of Lex's inquiry, lol
lex icon wrote:Sorcery is still a tool on the
journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing
to be contained by anything). NL
"Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.YES The reason we still keep sorcery is because its a 'vehicle' to travel in. What other one we got besides it? Nothing in the tonal logic...that's for sure.
Wasn’t it the new seers of the groups that immediately preceded DJ’s party, that were essentially new seers but because their predilection was closer to that of the old ones they could not burn from within and remain in the physical body in this reality. So they found themselves “waiting”. It should be noted that they knew they had missed it. In this regard I have to tip my hat to them. They did not reach beyond their grasp. They didn’t start wildly inventing. They waited, courageously without hope, or a “hope that is unseen” in the face of odds that even the idea of would overwhelm most.
We can call them by any name Lex, ...most important is its understood that they waited, that the mystery was revealed to them by death.
lex icon wrote:The
perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to
overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system,
conditioning. Then with this the ap, no longer does simply lateral
shifts but can shift in a way that begins the journey of infinity, which
represents that outside of the limits of the old sorcerers. Sorcery is
still a tool on the journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood
of freedom (refusing to be contained by anything). NL
"The
perspective outside of sorcery is to die a symbolic death which is to
overcome the mind, ego, system...so there is freedom from the system,
conditioning."NL
I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did NL
Well
a couple of things here. By saying this, “The perspective outside of
sorcery is to die a symbolic death”, are you saying that sorcery is not
concerned with symbolic deaths? Also by implication does that mean that
other spiritual traditions are only concerned with a “symbolic death”?
Now
I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old
sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movements and
that you are now saying this defines the limits of those sorcerers and
their shifts and that the symbolic death is the gate to freedom from the
conditioning you outlined. (If I have understood you correctly).
What
was is it about the shifts that so glamored the old seers? I bring this
up because in this information age where information is so accessible
and abundant it would be nothing for those with the predilection of old
seers to appropriate the language of the new seers without ever
realizing that they have simply adapted the new inventory to their
pre-existing inventory.Sorcery does not "think". Its neutral and wielded by the user. So at first sorcerer were concerned with what they could uncover...but their own personal mortality was not considered. It was the new seers who learned to die a symbolic death and then move farther beyond what the previous sorcerers could do.
Now
I am familiar (only because of CC’s writing really) that the old
sorcerers had a preference for lateral shifts instead of movementsYes, Lex as I see it we do have to maintain a certain faith in the validity of what CC wrote, if we cannot do this...goodnight nurse...there is no foundation upon which to proceed. If we later see for ourselves a more concise explanation, then at that point we can update our understanding. Thus far...this is my understanding, just as you ask in that paragraph....the ability to move beyond lateral...and grants its a mostly visual explantion rather then it having to be of actual form. What we are doing here is garnering the intent to transcend/shift...visual imagery is most useful in this regard.
lex icon wrote:I should have been more bold and said the Eagle...hey I just did. NL
So
in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite
to “sneaking past the eagle” or even that the symbolic death represents
having sneaked past the eagle????? Not sure what you meant here and why
you thought it so bold. Perhaps I should ask Enchantra though, as she
seems to have no trouble understanding your syntax.haha, last line a bit of passive aggression? jk...sort of.
So
in saying this are you saying that the symbolic death is a prerequisite
to “sneaking past the eagle”YES
Not sure what you meant here and why
you thought it so bold.
So bold as to incur the wrath of Lex's inquiry, lol
lex icon wrote:Sorcery is still a tool on the
journey, it has a new mood to it which is the mood of freedom (refusing
to be contained by anything). NL
"Refusing to be contained by anything," even sorcery. This refusing to be contained I like this direction even if it is difficult to imagine.YES The reason we still keep sorcery is because its a 'vehicle' to travel in. What other one we got besides it? Nothing in the tonal logic...that's for sure.