02-24-2011, 12:03 AM
Bob May wrote:
Enchantra wrote:
Are you all saying JC was an Old Seer?
Not at all. Jesus was God come to earth. Or the Son of God. But he was and still is a teacher of seers.
I suppose I would call him the ultimate Man of Knowledge while he was here on earth, if I had to put it into Don Juan's terms.
But he was and is much more than that.
There were Prophets in the Old Testament and the New Testament but they did not mess with inorganics, though they could see them.
One was caught up into heaven, Elijah. Elisha, his student I believe raised the dead. Enoch "walked with God and Was Not for God took him." Some very powerful men.
There were also Sorcerer's in both the Old and New Testaments. They did mess with inorganics and other such things. so they could be roughly equated with the Old Seers, I suppose.
I suppose they would be close to what Don Juan called the Old Seers but a much different lineage being that they were from the Middle East. Such knowledge was taught in Egypt and Greece and the regions around Mesopotamia.
JC was likened to the village shaman. He too set the old sorcerers free.
Simon the sorcerer shows up in the New Testament in Acts 8: 9-24
9) But there was a certain man, called Simon which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria giving out that himself was some gret one:
10) To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying , This man is the great power of God.
11) And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14) Now when the apostles which were at Jersusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit:
16) ( For, as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17) Then laid they their hands onthem, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18) And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money.
19) Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
20) But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21) Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22) Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23) For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24) Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.
Simon used his sorcery for ill gains. Self seeking glory was the source of sorcery. When Simon saw the acting of the Holy Spirit in peoples lives being healed and filled with unspoken joy, he wanted to get what others had. His heart was not in the right place for receiving the free gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter discerned with the power of the Holy Spirit that Simon was still in the bondage of iniquity. Iniquity are generational curses that separates one from fully knowing Truth.
Enchantra wrote:
Are you all saying JC was an Old Seer?
Not at all. Jesus was God come to earth. Or the Son of God. But he was and still is a teacher of seers.
I suppose I would call him the ultimate Man of Knowledge while he was here on earth, if I had to put it into Don Juan's terms.
But he was and is much more than that.
There were Prophets in the Old Testament and the New Testament but they did not mess with inorganics, though they could see them.
One was caught up into heaven, Elijah. Elisha, his student I believe raised the dead. Enoch "walked with God and Was Not for God took him." Some very powerful men.
There were also Sorcerer's in both the Old and New Testaments. They did mess with inorganics and other such things. so they could be roughly equated with the Old Seers, I suppose.
I suppose they would be close to what Don Juan called the Old Seers but a much different lineage being that they were from the Middle East. Such knowledge was taught in Egypt and Greece and the regions around Mesopotamia.
JC was likened to the village shaman. He too set the old sorcerers free.
Simon the sorcerer shows up in the New Testament in Acts 8: 9-24
9) But there was a certain man, called Simon which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria giving out that himself was some gret one:
10) To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying , This man is the great power of God.
11) And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14) Now when the apostles which were at Jersusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit:
16) ( For, as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17) Then laid they their hands onthem, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18) And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money.
19) Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
20) But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21) Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22) Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23) For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24) Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.
Simon used his sorcery for ill gains. Self seeking glory was the source of sorcery. When Simon saw the acting of the Holy Spirit in peoples lives being healed and filled with unspoken joy, he wanted to get what others had. His heart was not in the right place for receiving the free gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter discerned with the power of the Holy Spirit that Simon was still in the bondage of iniquity. Iniquity are generational curses that separates one from fully knowing Truth.