03-03-2011, 12:03 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Hey Bob...yeah, I guess I'm talking about all of us And I agree with En and you about it being a process. Words rarely capture so well or precisely our experiences because our very expereinces are not even so precise, and its often in retrospect we even begin to make sense of them.
For my part...I was just trying to warn about one thinking they have fully burned within (when not the case) and thus they stop making the effort to rid the FI. In fact, thats what the FI would do to us. I see how we can get so advanced, we are almost there...but almost isn't good enough. We need to be there period.The process does not end as long as we have a physical body as far as I know. The experience can be recognised in other's writing once you have the experience. 20/20 hindsight.
The FI can be gotten rid of but that void must be filled.
Mt 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mt 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mt 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
And then it returns.
That is why people tend to say it cannot be gotten rid of.
On the other hand we also have a human body that draws to negative influences that we don't always do such a good job keeping our desires on higher things.
Ro 7:15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Ro 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Ro 7:17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Ro 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Ro 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Ro 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Ro 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Ro 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Ro 7:24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ro 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It is a puzzle that even Paul wrestled with.
Hey Bob...yeah, I guess I'm talking about all of us And I agree with En and you about it being a process. Words rarely capture so well or precisely our experiences because our very expereinces are not even so precise, and its often in retrospect we even begin to make sense of them.
For my part...I was just trying to warn about one thinking they have fully burned within (when not the case) and thus they stop making the effort to rid the FI. In fact, thats what the FI would do to us. I see how we can get so advanced, we are almost there...but almost isn't good enough. We need to be there period.The process does not end as long as we have a physical body as far as I know. The experience can be recognised in other's writing once you have the experience. 20/20 hindsight.
The FI can be gotten rid of but that void must be filled.
Mt 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mt 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mt 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
And then it returns.
That is why people tend to say it cannot be gotten rid of.
On the other hand we also have a human body that draws to negative influences that we don't always do such a good job keeping our desires on higher things.
Ro 7:15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Ro 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Ro 7:17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Ro 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Ro 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Ro 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Ro 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Ro 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Ro 7:24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ro 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It is a puzzle that even Paul wrestled with.