06-06-2011, 12:01 AM
The subject of liminality or threshold is new. I had to look it up. Threshold.
So it is not new in reality to the teachings of Don Juan or Jesus or the Qabalah.
Don Juan has covered this concept over and over again since the start. He just kept renaming it trying to get Carlos to understand.
This concept of neither this or that as opposed to something higher or deeper is I think what Lex is gatting at and is the actual doorway to what we seek.
Don Juan used terms like first and second an third attention.
The island of the tonal, and the sea of nagual.
Bubbles of perception. Then ordering the bubble and opening it.
Normal man, sorcerer and man of knowledge.
Old seers, new seers and now we have added modern seers as an alternative viewpoint.
So, now we can add liminality to the list of terminology that all speaks to the same set of ideas we have been looking at from the start.
We, as human beings need repetition in order to pay attention sometimes. That repetition has gotten us to filter everything through what we have already experienced or through every philosophy we have thought.
When asked by a rich man what he needed to do to enter the kingdom of heaven Jesus told him to keep the commandments love mother father etc., etc.
When the man said he did all of that already Jesus told him to sell everything he had and follow him.
We are the rich men. What is it (besides the physical wealth) that we must get rid of?
Jesus said narrow the gate and steep the way and few there be that find it. Why is this Gate so hard to find?
Don Juan said the difference between a normal man and a sorcerer was what made a man of knowledge. To sneak between the two descriptions.
Both Don Juan and the Celts thought the twilight was holy or special. Neither this nor that,..the time between times.
In the Qabalah the Sephirah named Daath (Knowledge) is usually not shown on the tree and sits astride the abyss separating two distinct orders of being. That which is above and that which is below.
All of the above point to something right in front of our faces that we do not recognize because we have this innate tendency to move from one viewpoint to another viewpoint. One description or another. To give up the descriptions is to see that cubic centimeter of chance. The narrow gate.
The end times, in my opinion has been going on for 2000 years. We just do not see it.
I go on a bible forum on which there are two basic philosophies about the end of the world. Those who look to world events and a future event of great magnitude. Those who beleve all of the end time prophecies were fulfilled, beginning at the crucifixion and ending in 70 AD.
I, on the other hand believe that all of these events will be individually fulfilled within the experiences and spiritual awakenings of individuals. One at a time.
It is so interesting to me that the two main groups know each other's arguments so well and can argue their own viewpoints against them.
But when I show them a third way of looking at it, it does not even compute. These are people who are scholars and way more knowledgeable about the bible and writings about the bible throughout the centuries.
But they cannot even consider what I am saying because they do not understand it.
I have had a few expeiences. There is this principle of Threshold that cannot be understood until experienced. There are many thresholds, veils, lattice, doorways etc., To have had one experience, any experience of passing from one way of percieving this world to another is the key.
To know how unable you were to know what it was that was coming and then to experience it is a valuable tool.
To learn to expect without knowing what it is you are expecting.
"It has not entered into the hearts and minds of man what God has in store for his children."
My teacher used to say, "If you have an experience one time it is just an experience. If you have an experience twice you have mastered it."
I have not experienced what he was refering to in this regard. Each time I have had a spiritual experience it has been completely different than anything that I have ever experienced before.
But I have experienced this principle of threshold many times.
It is a doorway that is not this nor that.
Because we insist in trying to make it this or that we do not experience it.
Just some thoughts.
So it is not new in reality to the teachings of Don Juan or Jesus or the Qabalah.
Don Juan has covered this concept over and over again since the start. He just kept renaming it trying to get Carlos to understand.
This concept of neither this or that as opposed to something higher or deeper is I think what Lex is gatting at and is the actual doorway to what we seek.
Don Juan used terms like first and second an third attention.
The island of the tonal, and the sea of nagual.
Bubbles of perception. Then ordering the bubble and opening it.
Normal man, sorcerer and man of knowledge.
Old seers, new seers and now we have added modern seers as an alternative viewpoint.
So, now we can add liminality to the list of terminology that all speaks to the same set of ideas we have been looking at from the start.
We, as human beings need repetition in order to pay attention sometimes. That repetition has gotten us to filter everything through what we have already experienced or through every philosophy we have thought.
When asked by a rich man what he needed to do to enter the kingdom of heaven Jesus told him to keep the commandments love mother father etc., etc.
When the man said he did all of that already Jesus told him to sell everything he had and follow him.
We are the rich men. What is it (besides the physical wealth) that we must get rid of?
Jesus said narrow the gate and steep the way and few there be that find it. Why is this Gate so hard to find?
Don Juan said the difference between a normal man and a sorcerer was what made a man of knowledge. To sneak between the two descriptions.
Both Don Juan and the Celts thought the twilight was holy or special. Neither this nor that,..the time between times.
In the Qabalah the Sephirah named Daath (Knowledge) is usually not shown on the tree and sits astride the abyss separating two distinct orders of being. That which is above and that which is below.
All of the above point to something right in front of our faces that we do not recognize because we have this innate tendency to move from one viewpoint to another viewpoint. One description or another. To give up the descriptions is to see that cubic centimeter of chance. The narrow gate.
The end times, in my opinion has been going on for 2000 years. We just do not see it.
I go on a bible forum on which there are two basic philosophies about the end of the world. Those who look to world events and a future event of great magnitude. Those who beleve all of the end time prophecies were fulfilled, beginning at the crucifixion and ending in 70 AD.
I, on the other hand believe that all of these events will be individually fulfilled within the experiences and spiritual awakenings of individuals. One at a time.
It is so interesting to me that the two main groups know each other's arguments so well and can argue their own viewpoints against them.
But when I show them a third way of looking at it, it does not even compute. These are people who are scholars and way more knowledgeable about the bible and writings about the bible throughout the centuries.
But they cannot even consider what I am saying because they do not understand it.
I have had a few expeiences. There is this principle of Threshold that cannot be understood until experienced. There are many thresholds, veils, lattice, doorways etc., To have had one experience, any experience of passing from one way of percieving this world to another is the key.
To know how unable you were to know what it was that was coming and then to experience it is a valuable tool.
To learn to expect without knowing what it is you are expecting.
"It has not entered into the hearts and minds of man what God has in store for his children."
My teacher used to say, "If you have an experience one time it is just an experience. If you have an experience twice you have mastered it."
I have not experienced what he was refering to in this regard. Each time I have had a spiritual experience it has been completely different than anything that I have ever experienced before.
But I have experienced this principle of threshold many times.
It is a doorway that is not this nor that.
Because we insist in trying to make it this or that we do not experience it.
Just some thoughts.