11-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Hi Shamanka,
as, you appear to be inviting questions, and state that, questions assist you in being the best you can be, I'll take you at your word.
In the above post, you say that, you can remember "dying" when you were 6 hours old, and also, as a toddler, a 5 year old, a 6 year old, etc. I find this, very puzzling.
I am aware that, Re-birthers claim to be able to take the process so far that, they can remember birth trauma, and everything afterwards, and, they also seem to believe that, memory is stored in the body, not, the mind.
DJM seems to agree that, memory is stored in the body, but, he claims that, at the moment of death, these memories are released.
Despite claiming to have died, many times, you appear to retain memories of the events which occured to the previous "spirit" which, inhabited your body. By "spirit", I'm assuming, you mean awareness, yes?
Do you , see awareness as separate from the body? If so, how is it that, the body is aware,(which, it is, very much,), even when our awareness is off somewhere else, Dreaming?
You, yourself, state that, you purged/annihilated everything from your past, and, you are starting from scratch, yet, you still, retain the memories of the past. This, appears contradictory, to me.
Are you saying that, the body retains the memories, even though, the "spirit" leaves? Is this, the "cellular memory, you refer to? This, appears to contradict DJM's description of death.
If so, how can a "spirit" be said to be an individual, if, it retains no memories of individual experience?
Does it, "photocopy" them, before it leaves?
Perhaps, it is your use of the term "died", that is confusing me? As I understand it, "death" involves the cessation of any activity or processes within the body, that pertain to life. "Cellular " death, (to borrow your term,), is said to take at least, twenty minutes, after which, no recovery is possible.
Are you using the term "died" metaphorically, as in a "shamanic death"?
It seems to me, you must be, as your body is still alive.
On another tack,....................you say that, you are a "full spectrum Nagual".
In CC'swritings, DJM repeatedly states that, "a Nagual never lets anyone know, he is in charge".
In other words, anonymity is a prerequisite. He reiterates this point, many times, therefore, I take it that, he feels it to be fundamental. After all, using such a title, even in the privacy of one's own thoughts, is hardly conducive to the eradication of self importance. Using it in communications with others, is fraught with pitfalls, and risks opening up a whole can of worms, even if, it is an accurate description.
You say. "your knowing" tells you, you are a Nagual. If so, how is it, "your Knowing" only knew, after CC wrote his books, and popularised the term? No-one mentioned "Naguals" until CC made the term known in that context. It was an anthropological term, reputed to mean, the spirit animal of an American "shaman" (or, whatever term you prefer, as "shaman" is a Sami word,), yet, these days, it seems, we have "Naguals" coming out of the woodwork.
This question is, of course, relevant to anyone who claims to be a "Nagual", (preferably, with the endorsement of an old Native American medicine man, or some such,). Claiming to have been told by "the spirit", or "direct knowing" is a more sophisticated version, of course, and less obviously questionable, as it is impossible to prove, one way, or the other.
How come, no-one appears on thses forums and says, "hi, I'm an inconsequential piece of pond-life, and I do,nt have a fucking clue what all this is about, but, I'd like, to find out."? At least then, they would be in good company.
Instead, we have a seemingly endless stream of people claiming to be "Naguals", despite, DJM saying, "Naguals" are rare individuals.
You say that "a lot of my work, is on the Galactic level".
Apart from the apparent grandiosity of this phrase, it calls to mind, the adventures of Jean Luc Picard!
Would you mind explaining, exactly what, you mean by this phrase?
What is this work, and with/for whom, do you do it? Where and when, do you do it, and how?
Anyway, thats enough questions, for now.
I have an enquiring mind, therefore, I am naturally sceptical. To confuse that, with cynicism, would be inaccurate. I seek to find answers, not, to dismiss. Anyone who makes claims, must expect to have to verify them.
BTW, thats a nice little piece of woodland in your pics. I could,nt help wondering why, you had green boughs hanging to dry. Unavoidable pruning? I wonder if, the trees would agree? Trees, do,nt like that, though, they do,nt mind, too much, if you burn dead wood.
P.S.: If any of my questions or statements seem stupid, thats because, I AM stupid! I would appreciate it if, you would humour me, with a reply.
as, you appear to be inviting questions, and state that, questions assist you in being the best you can be, I'll take you at your word.
In the above post, you say that, you can remember "dying" when you were 6 hours old, and also, as a toddler, a 5 year old, a 6 year old, etc. I find this, very puzzling.
I am aware that, Re-birthers claim to be able to take the process so far that, they can remember birth trauma, and everything afterwards, and, they also seem to believe that, memory is stored in the body, not, the mind.
DJM seems to agree that, memory is stored in the body, but, he claims that, at the moment of death, these memories are released.
Despite claiming to have died, many times, you appear to retain memories of the events which occured to the previous "spirit" which, inhabited your body. By "spirit", I'm assuming, you mean awareness, yes?
Do you , see awareness as separate from the body? If so, how is it that, the body is aware,(which, it is, very much,), even when our awareness is off somewhere else, Dreaming?
You, yourself, state that, you purged/annihilated everything from your past, and, you are starting from scratch, yet, you still, retain the memories of the past. This, appears contradictory, to me.
Are you saying that, the body retains the memories, even though, the "spirit" leaves? Is this, the "cellular memory, you refer to? This, appears to contradict DJM's description of death.
If so, how can a "spirit" be said to be an individual, if, it retains no memories of individual experience?
Does it, "photocopy" them, before it leaves?
Perhaps, it is your use of the term "died", that is confusing me? As I understand it, "death" involves the cessation of any activity or processes within the body, that pertain to life. "Cellular " death, (to borrow your term,), is said to take at least, twenty minutes, after which, no recovery is possible.
Are you using the term "died" metaphorically, as in a "shamanic death"?
It seems to me, you must be, as your body is still alive.
On another tack,....................you say that, you are a "full spectrum Nagual".
In CC'swritings, DJM repeatedly states that, "a Nagual never lets anyone know, he is in charge".
In other words, anonymity is a prerequisite. He reiterates this point, many times, therefore, I take it that, he feels it to be fundamental. After all, using such a title, even in the privacy of one's own thoughts, is hardly conducive to the eradication of self importance. Using it in communications with others, is fraught with pitfalls, and risks opening up a whole can of worms, even if, it is an accurate description.
You say. "your knowing" tells you, you are a Nagual. If so, how is it, "your Knowing" only knew, after CC wrote his books, and popularised the term? No-one mentioned "Naguals" until CC made the term known in that context. It was an anthropological term, reputed to mean, the spirit animal of an American "shaman" (or, whatever term you prefer, as "shaman" is a Sami word,), yet, these days, it seems, we have "Naguals" coming out of the woodwork.
This question is, of course, relevant to anyone who claims to be a "Nagual", (preferably, with the endorsement of an old Native American medicine man, or some such,). Claiming to have been told by "the spirit", or "direct knowing" is a more sophisticated version, of course, and less obviously questionable, as it is impossible to prove, one way, or the other.
How come, no-one appears on thses forums and says, "hi, I'm an inconsequential piece of pond-life, and I do,nt have a fucking clue what all this is about, but, I'd like, to find out."? At least then, they would be in good company.
Instead, we have a seemingly endless stream of people claiming to be "Naguals", despite, DJM saying, "Naguals" are rare individuals.
You say that "a lot of my work, is on the Galactic level".
Apart from the apparent grandiosity of this phrase, it calls to mind, the adventures of Jean Luc Picard!
Would you mind explaining, exactly what, you mean by this phrase?
What is this work, and with/for whom, do you do it? Where and when, do you do it, and how?
Anyway, thats enough questions, for now.
I have an enquiring mind, therefore, I am naturally sceptical. To confuse that, with cynicism, would be inaccurate. I seek to find answers, not, to dismiss. Anyone who makes claims, must expect to have to verify them.
BTW, thats a nice little piece of woodland in your pics. I could,nt help wondering why, you had green boughs hanging to dry. Unavoidable pruning? I wonder if, the trees would agree? Trees, do,nt like that, though, they do,nt mind, too much, if you burn dead wood.
P.S.: If any of my questions or statements seem stupid, thats because, I AM stupid! I would appreciate it if, you would humour me, with a reply.