03-22-2011, 12:01 AM
scout1 wrote:
what dont you understand ?
CC is after dead of his physical body; is inorganic; is active; and is dark.
If You do not agree on some point, tell me.
But i wont argue with You on the last, that he is "dark", because Your, ehm "education", is not allowing that. But You can meet with him. Instead we can argue if Devil himself is "dark" or not. Yes, its relative.
Those inorganic sorcerers are not lucid dreaming new ager s friends.
It's not that I don't understand. The point I'm attempting to make is that everything you are saying is every bit as much a belief system as any organized religion. You've simply put Castaneda in the role of The Devil, but there is no more proof/validation for that than there ever has been for existence of ANY god or devil.
But, okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Let's say CC transcended physical death and became an organic. Why would he bother with humans at all? What does he gain? Inorganics don't need our energy - that's just another hokey new age myth! The universe is made of energy. It's all around us, and is readily available directly from the fabric of the cosmos. So those who like to say this or that dark entity is "feeding on our energy" really need to take a moment to examine the workings of physics AND meta-physics. In most cases, it's nothing more than humanform self-importance that makes someone believe their energy is so special that someone or something would want to feed on it. The reality is quite different. Energy that is in use (such as the energy that comprises a human consciousness) is actually unavailable to be used elsewhere. Simple statement of fact. So that being the case, what would a dark-oriented inorganic dead sorcerer WANT with humans at all? I don't think he needs my MasterCard.
Maybe it's just me, but I think that if I transcended death and became an inorganic, I could find better things to do than hang out in orbit over Uranus and torment human Dreamers. It simply doesn't make sense - and as much as sorcery is rooted in magic, it also works on the principles of logic, particularly in a quantum state. I've dreamed with don Juan on occasion. Also with sorcerers every bit as powerful at DJM and maybe moreso. They do not appear to have any personal agenda because, in their words, "What would be the point in stealing energy from a battery when we are already plugged into the universe at the source?" Think about it.
So when you say CC is a dark dead sorcerer, I'd like to know how you would define his agenda. Dark in what way? And are you certain YOUR perceptions are reliable and that you aren't making assumptions with regard to your conclusions?? Meaning: we see all sorts of things all the time. A *seer* sees things as they are. An ordinary man draws conclusions rooted in his existing belief systems - the result being that a seer stands at the garbage dump and observes the interconnectedness of the garbage, the flies, and the garbage trucks bringing in more and more. An ordinary man stands at the garbage dump and says, "Gee, isn't it strange how the flies cause all this garbage!" In this case (your case), you keep saying CC is dark, but can give no examples of how or even why you say that. "Dark." How so? Did he kick your dog or bite your grandma? What?
This will probably be my last post on the subject, because obviously there's nowhere for the conversation to go. I simply wanted to emphasize that when you make sweeping statements that cannot be validated by any rational means, be prepared to be questioned. Toltec and nagualism are about eradicating belief systems, including their own. When we strip away the stuff we automatically accept as "fact", we generally find that the universe is a neutral canvas that responds to our creative energy. You can create a world of dark sorcerers and live in fear, or you can wake up our own awareness and *see*.
Bottom line: what difference does it make even IF everything you say is true? I don't think CC stays up late figuring out ways to thwart humans anymore than the devil is off harvesting souls. What would be the point?
Regards,
what dont you understand ?
CC is after dead of his physical body; is inorganic; is active; and is dark.
If You do not agree on some point, tell me.
But i wont argue with You on the last, that he is "dark", because Your, ehm "education", is not allowing that. But You can meet with him. Instead we can argue if Devil himself is "dark" or not. Yes, its relative.
Those inorganic sorcerers are not lucid dreaming new ager s friends.
It's not that I don't understand. The point I'm attempting to make is that everything you are saying is every bit as much a belief system as any organized religion. You've simply put Castaneda in the role of The Devil, but there is no more proof/validation for that than there ever has been for existence of ANY god or devil.
But, okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Let's say CC transcended physical death and became an organic. Why would he bother with humans at all? What does he gain? Inorganics don't need our energy - that's just another hokey new age myth! The universe is made of energy. It's all around us, and is readily available directly from the fabric of the cosmos. So those who like to say this or that dark entity is "feeding on our energy" really need to take a moment to examine the workings of physics AND meta-physics. In most cases, it's nothing more than humanform self-importance that makes someone believe their energy is so special that someone or something would want to feed on it. The reality is quite different. Energy that is in use (such as the energy that comprises a human consciousness) is actually unavailable to be used elsewhere. Simple statement of fact. So that being the case, what would a dark-oriented inorganic dead sorcerer WANT with humans at all? I don't think he needs my MasterCard.
Maybe it's just me, but I think that if I transcended death and became an inorganic, I could find better things to do than hang out in orbit over Uranus and torment human Dreamers. It simply doesn't make sense - and as much as sorcery is rooted in magic, it also works on the principles of logic, particularly in a quantum state. I've dreamed with don Juan on occasion. Also with sorcerers every bit as powerful at DJM and maybe moreso. They do not appear to have any personal agenda because, in their words, "What would be the point in stealing energy from a battery when we are already plugged into the universe at the source?" Think about it.
So when you say CC is a dark dead sorcerer, I'd like to know how you would define his agenda. Dark in what way? And are you certain YOUR perceptions are reliable and that you aren't making assumptions with regard to your conclusions?? Meaning: we see all sorts of things all the time. A *seer* sees things as they are. An ordinary man draws conclusions rooted in his existing belief systems - the result being that a seer stands at the garbage dump and observes the interconnectedness of the garbage, the flies, and the garbage trucks bringing in more and more. An ordinary man stands at the garbage dump and says, "Gee, isn't it strange how the flies cause all this garbage!" In this case (your case), you keep saying CC is dark, but can give no examples of how or even why you say that. "Dark." How so? Did he kick your dog or bite your grandma? What?
This will probably be my last post on the subject, because obviously there's nowhere for the conversation to go. I simply wanted to emphasize that when you make sweeping statements that cannot be validated by any rational means, be prepared to be questioned. Toltec and nagualism are about eradicating belief systems, including their own. When we strip away the stuff we automatically accept as "fact", we generally find that the universe is a neutral canvas that responds to our creative energy. You can create a world of dark sorcerers and live in fear, or you can wake up our own awareness and *see*.
Bottom line: what difference does it make even IF everything you say is true? I don't think CC stays up late figuring out ways to thwart humans anymore than the devil is off harvesting souls. What would be the point?
Regards,