12-16-2011, 12:02 AM
energylover wrote:
there is no available evidence to support
CC's claim that those people in his books
ever existed. we would have go on his
word alone. Sorry but for a known liar
this extension of giving him the doubt is
not possible. No one has ever produced
any evidence whatsoever that Juan Matus
was real or that he existed. You are taking
everything on Charlies' faith. Therefore you
are no better than any of the religious freaks
throughout the world. You would be just
another "believer". How's that working for ya?
Does intent answer your prayers for you too?
It doesn't matter if don Juan existed or not. The "teachings" came from somewhere, and work for those who pursue the core essence of what is INTENDED. That doesn't necessarily mean that burying yourself in the earth will lead to enlightenment, nor will dreaming save you from the eagle. What it means is that there is truth in what has been put forth - truth which can be validated by one's own efforts.
To look at your argument from a more "religious" perspective, does it really matter of Jesus existed or not? The "teachings" came from somewhere and there is truth in some of it (ditto for Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc). Even if none of the great teachers ever existed (Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Muhammed, et al), there is still truth to the teachings IF (and only if) the seeker looks beyond the surface story and into what is actually intended by the teachings themselves. Don Juan may have been nothing more than a character in a story. Does that invalidate the entire story? Santa Claus doesn't exist, so maybe we should cancel Christmas and tell all those expecting children that their parents are just liars and frauds.
Does intent answer your prayers? Sure. And a lot faster and more efficiently than any belief in "god". Why? Because intent is the force that lies behind do-ing. If I pray for a new car and wait for god to deliver it to my doorstep, I'll be walking to work for the rest of my life. OTOH, if I intend to have a new car and live my intent, it won't be long before my "prayers" are answered.
Intent is the quantifiable force of energy which turns thoughtform into manifestation. No gods, deities or naguals required. Simple math.
there is no available evidence to support
CC's claim that those people in his books
ever existed. we would have go on his
word alone. Sorry but for a known liar
this extension of giving him the doubt is
not possible. No one has ever produced
any evidence whatsoever that Juan Matus
was real or that he existed. You are taking
everything on Charlies' faith. Therefore you
are no better than any of the religious freaks
throughout the world. You would be just
another "believer". How's that working for ya?
Does intent answer your prayers for you too?
It doesn't matter if don Juan existed or not. The "teachings" came from somewhere, and work for those who pursue the core essence of what is INTENDED. That doesn't necessarily mean that burying yourself in the earth will lead to enlightenment, nor will dreaming save you from the eagle. What it means is that there is truth in what has been put forth - truth which can be validated by one's own efforts.
To look at your argument from a more "religious" perspective, does it really matter of Jesus existed or not? The "teachings" came from somewhere and there is truth in some of it (ditto for Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc). Even if none of the great teachers ever existed (Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Muhammed, et al), there is still truth to the teachings IF (and only if) the seeker looks beyond the surface story and into what is actually intended by the teachings themselves. Don Juan may have been nothing more than a character in a story. Does that invalidate the entire story? Santa Claus doesn't exist, so maybe we should cancel Christmas and tell all those expecting children that their parents are just liars and frauds.
Does intent answer your prayers? Sure. And a lot faster and more efficiently than any belief in "god". Why? Because intent is the force that lies behind do-ing. If I pray for a new car and wait for god to deliver it to my doorstep, I'll be walking to work for the rest of my life. OTOH, if I intend to have a new car and live my intent, it won't be long before my "prayers" are answered.
Intent is the quantifiable force of energy which turns thoughtform into manifestation. No gods, deities or naguals required. Simple math.