03-01-2012, 12:04 AM
songbird wrote:
Scout1's conclusion are not necessarily anyone else's opinions. FYI
Also, dreams occur on a different timeline than waking reality, so how can we say what is 'real' and what is not real? Sometimes a dream has the potential to become real and never does. Other times, the potential is realized and we see the dream manifesting in our future. Really, (pun intended) there are endless variations of dreams and waking realities and when the two merge, that is a magic that nobody can predict!
My main caution here was to point out to Scout1... "Don't believe everything you dream", just as the old cliche... "Don't believe everything you think."
I do agree with you that dreams occur in a different modality, which is why I think certain cautions MUST be observed, particularly when someone decides they are going to go charging into someone else's "afterlife", as Scout1 was suggesting. And, as I pointed out to him, it was his use of manipulative language that really got my attention, even moreso than whatever he was proposing to do. "If you're good enough" and "privilege" and so on... maybe entirely innocent on Scout1's part - I realize English is not his first language - but it just seems to me that there is a need to examine the difference between what we really KNOW about Dreaming, and what we THINK we know.
Having done some rather extensive dreaming myself, I have generally found that there is "dream logic" and there is "waking logic." Trying to apply either one to the other generally doesn't end well.
Sobriety is the keyword, but something I see very little of on most of these forums. Someone "dreams" that don Juan told them to go jump off a bridge, they are just as likely to GO jump off a bridge as not... and that ain't an act of sobriety, especially because it involves giving one's Power away to what MIGHT be nothing more than the mental machinations of "ordinary" dreaming, or even the foreign installation. So, taking that one step further, what happens when don Juan tells them to drink rat poison or kill the neighbor's dog? The warrior who practices sobriety would obviously not be at risk, but how many "warriors" are REALLY warriors, and of those who ARE, how many are sufficiently "sober" to know the difference between "don Juan" and don Whacko? There really IS a difference - which I'm sure YOU would know, but not sure 99% of folks on these forums would know.
One of the functions of stalkers is to keep dreamers from running off the cliffs like eager lemmings. *smiles* One of the functions of dreamers is to keep stalkers from getting their feet permanently stuck in the mud. LOL.
All things in balane.
Scout1's conclusion are not necessarily anyone else's opinions. FYI
Also, dreams occur on a different timeline than waking reality, so how can we say what is 'real' and what is not real? Sometimes a dream has the potential to become real and never does. Other times, the potential is realized and we see the dream manifesting in our future. Really, (pun intended) there are endless variations of dreams and waking realities and when the two merge, that is a magic that nobody can predict!
My main caution here was to point out to Scout1... "Don't believe everything you dream", just as the old cliche... "Don't believe everything you think."
I do agree with you that dreams occur in a different modality, which is why I think certain cautions MUST be observed, particularly when someone decides they are going to go charging into someone else's "afterlife", as Scout1 was suggesting. And, as I pointed out to him, it was his use of manipulative language that really got my attention, even moreso than whatever he was proposing to do. "If you're good enough" and "privilege" and so on... maybe entirely innocent on Scout1's part - I realize English is not his first language - but it just seems to me that there is a need to examine the difference between what we really KNOW about Dreaming, and what we THINK we know.
Having done some rather extensive dreaming myself, I have generally found that there is "dream logic" and there is "waking logic." Trying to apply either one to the other generally doesn't end well.
Sobriety is the keyword, but something I see very little of on most of these forums. Someone "dreams" that don Juan told them to go jump off a bridge, they are just as likely to GO jump off a bridge as not... and that ain't an act of sobriety, especially because it involves giving one's Power away to what MIGHT be nothing more than the mental machinations of "ordinary" dreaming, or even the foreign installation. So, taking that one step further, what happens when don Juan tells them to drink rat poison or kill the neighbor's dog? The warrior who practices sobriety would obviously not be at risk, but how many "warriors" are REALLY warriors, and of those who ARE, how many are sufficiently "sober" to know the difference between "don Juan" and don Whacko? There really IS a difference - which I'm sure YOU would know, but not sure 99% of folks on these forums would know. One of the functions of stalkers is to keep dreamers from running off the cliffs like eager lemmings. *smiles* One of the functions of dreamers is to keep stalkers from getting their feet permanently stuck in the mud. LOL.
All things in balane.