03-03-2012, 12:05 AM
That forum is ful of treasures ))
like that
http://sustainedreaction....id-Dreaming#.T1JcBnK6Vw0
Of course Carlos provided a great illustration of how fanatical obsession even with a good thing like 'freedom' can be very unhealthy. In addition to freedom from country, family, and one's own right mind, Carlos also offered freedom from truth, freedom from reality, freedom from science and reason, freedom from genuine responsibility, freedom from love, freedom even from death. Carlos was practically psycho on the issue of freedom, to the point where almost everything else in a balanced life went into the toilet at the expense of some perfect, absolute, idealized freedom. Carlos became the superhero of those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing".
A con needs a good hook to lure marks. Carlos offered absolute, supernatural freedom as the magical antidote to all of life's problems. That was his hook. But like any con, what Carlos offered and what he truly delivered were two different things.
The grandest freedom Carlos offered was to be the ability to 'go free' from the very world we live in, and at a minimum live for perhaps millions of years in the 'parallel universe' with the Inorganic Beings. He told us that. But when speaking to our class, Carlos also contradicted himself from day to day on this matter of 'leaving the world'. Some days Carlos would say he had 'lost the bird of freedom' and act like he had no hope. A week later he'd speak of how he had been 'out there navigating' all by himself and started thinking of how he might just go ahead and take off into infinity, then and there, all alone. So which was it, had he lost out, or could he just go??
Sometimes he would talk about how he supposedly had to be careful not to get together in a certain spot with Carol Tiggs, because they might both just burn from within right there without being able to stop it. Other days he would he would act like he had no hope at all, and tell us he didn't have enough energy to do anything but sit on the couch. Sometimes he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone you'd think meant 'hey, I can leave this world any time I want'. Other times he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone like '****, I'm a dead man.' No one ever knew for sure what he was talking about, including him. It was all bs.
Carlos went on too many times about how he had started burning from within and had to stop himself because didn't want to go yet. He told our class the same story Amy put in her book about his big toe starting to burn once and him having to stop it. Too often he lectured about how ordinary humans just decay and die, but not him, oh no, he had various options for an alternative freedom - even if he didn't succeed in going all the way and only got 'stuck in the second attention'. That was his continual claim. Heck, boys and girls, even if you don't make it to 'inconceivable freedom', you can still live in one of those '600 worlds' out there for centuries, millennia - whatever, it's better than just dying an ordinary death! Follow me to freedom!
Too many times Carlos talked about how you should free yourself by blowing your own head off rather than die a slow death from some disease like any ordinary a-hole'. Too many times he talked about how all the witches were 'ready to go' to 'freedom' now and how he was the only one who really wanted to stay longer just so he could teach us. It was like hey, if it wasn't for me, we'd all burn from within tomorrow and all have our amazing freedom right now. Too many times he talked about how he was going to try to take this or that person with him. He even talked to us this way sometimes, seriously, like he really thought some of us might be able to 'go with him'.
In any case ... the moment he learned he had cancer, since he wasn't teaching us any more, his alleged reason for staying ... then he should have gone ahead and burned from within to show us all his amazing freedom was all true. Right?? Or even if he could not, then at least one of the witches should have showed us how to take off into 'freedom', right? But Carlos only burned for the nice people at the crematorium, and did not take a single other person with him. Did Carlos even blow off his own head like he always preached would be better than dying an ordinary death? No. Like any ordinary man would, he stretched it out for months until he was decrepit, weak, and raving. He didn't walk any part of his talk. After all the endless talk about various possible kinds of 'freedom' from death, what's the point of sticking around and dying slowly of cancer? The point is: he was just a man like any other, only quite a bit crazier and more creative, that's all.
And did any of the witches or scouts then 'burn', since now they could finally 'go' like they always wanted to? Well, it's a lucky thing Cleargreen decided not to give us too big a lie on that one, because Patty Partin eventually turned up dead in the desert. And the rest of the women simply ran away (and may even be dead too). I can see why watching Carlos decay and die instead of attaining any kind of 'freedom' at all terrified the women and made them run away.
Why am I drumming this again? To make the point that it went way beyond Carlos. Let's not forget, there were supposedly four disciples of 'don Juan' here. Supposedly one of those four was also a nagual woman, and in addition there were a couple of alien 'scouts' who supposedly could go further into 'the unknown' than anyone. What's more, Carlos had repeatedly claimed they were all 'ready to go' at the drop of a hat, and he said the women were 'better' than he was. But none of them 'went'. Carlos went slow by cancer, the most talented 'scout' died in the desert, the other 'scout' got herself a colostomy bag, the four other leaders of Cleargreen including two 'witches' ran away (perhaps killed themselves too for all we know), and the only one of the original 'disciples of don Juan' left hides and does nothing for a decade. One might imagine that any of those 'disciples of don Juan' could have done something to make it apparent that the claims about 'amazing freedom' were real. But none of them did.
None. That's obviously because the 'amazing freedom' wasn't real. It was a grandiose illusion. The claims were lies. Perfect freedom was imaginary. It was all fiction all along.
like that
http://sustainedreaction....id-Dreaming#.T1JcBnK6Vw0
Of course Carlos provided a great illustration of how fanatical obsession even with a good thing like 'freedom' can be very unhealthy. In addition to freedom from country, family, and one's own right mind, Carlos also offered freedom from truth, freedom from reality, freedom from science and reason, freedom from genuine responsibility, freedom from love, freedom even from death. Carlos was practically psycho on the issue of freedom, to the point where almost everything else in a balanced life went into the toilet at the expense of some perfect, absolute, idealized freedom. Carlos became the superhero of those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing".
A con needs a good hook to lure marks. Carlos offered absolute, supernatural freedom as the magical antidote to all of life's problems. That was his hook. But like any con, what Carlos offered and what he truly delivered were two different things.
The grandest freedom Carlos offered was to be the ability to 'go free' from the very world we live in, and at a minimum live for perhaps millions of years in the 'parallel universe' with the Inorganic Beings. He told us that. But when speaking to our class, Carlos also contradicted himself from day to day on this matter of 'leaving the world'. Some days Carlos would say he had 'lost the bird of freedom' and act like he had no hope. A week later he'd speak of how he had been 'out there navigating' all by himself and started thinking of how he might just go ahead and take off into infinity, then and there, all alone. So which was it, had he lost out, or could he just go??
Sometimes he would talk about how he supposedly had to be careful not to get together in a certain spot with Carol Tiggs, because they might both just burn from within right there without being able to stop it. Other days he would he would act like he had no hope at all, and tell us he didn't have enough energy to do anything but sit on the couch. Sometimes he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone you'd think meant 'hey, I can leave this world any time I want'. Other times he'd say 'I'm gone' in a tone like '****, I'm a dead man.' No one ever knew for sure what he was talking about, including him. It was all bs.
Carlos went on too many times about how he had started burning from within and had to stop himself because didn't want to go yet. He told our class the same story Amy put in her book about his big toe starting to burn once and him having to stop it. Too often he lectured about how ordinary humans just decay and die, but not him, oh no, he had various options for an alternative freedom - even if he didn't succeed in going all the way and only got 'stuck in the second attention'. That was his continual claim. Heck, boys and girls, even if you don't make it to 'inconceivable freedom', you can still live in one of those '600 worlds' out there for centuries, millennia - whatever, it's better than just dying an ordinary death! Follow me to freedom!
Too many times Carlos talked about how you should free yourself by blowing your own head off rather than die a slow death from some disease like any ordinary a-hole'. Too many times he talked about how all the witches were 'ready to go' to 'freedom' now and how he was the only one who really wanted to stay longer just so he could teach us. It was like hey, if it wasn't for me, we'd all burn from within tomorrow and all have our amazing freedom right now. Too many times he talked about how he was going to try to take this or that person with him. He even talked to us this way sometimes, seriously, like he really thought some of us might be able to 'go with him'.
In any case ... the moment he learned he had cancer, since he wasn't teaching us any more, his alleged reason for staying ... then he should have gone ahead and burned from within to show us all his amazing freedom was all true. Right?? Or even if he could not, then at least one of the witches should have showed us how to take off into 'freedom', right? But Carlos only burned for the nice people at the crematorium, and did not take a single other person with him. Did Carlos even blow off his own head like he always preached would be better than dying an ordinary death? No. Like any ordinary man would, he stretched it out for months until he was decrepit, weak, and raving. He didn't walk any part of his talk. After all the endless talk about various possible kinds of 'freedom' from death, what's the point of sticking around and dying slowly of cancer? The point is: he was just a man like any other, only quite a bit crazier and more creative, that's all.
And did any of the witches or scouts then 'burn', since now they could finally 'go' like they always wanted to? Well, it's a lucky thing Cleargreen decided not to give us too big a lie on that one, because Patty Partin eventually turned up dead in the desert. And the rest of the women simply ran away (and may even be dead too). I can see why watching Carlos decay and die instead of attaining any kind of 'freedom' at all terrified the women and made them run away.
Why am I drumming this again? To make the point that it went way beyond Carlos. Let's not forget, there were supposedly four disciples of 'don Juan' here. Supposedly one of those four was also a nagual woman, and in addition there were a couple of alien 'scouts' who supposedly could go further into 'the unknown' than anyone. What's more, Carlos had repeatedly claimed they were all 'ready to go' at the drop of a hat, and he said the women were 'better' than he was. But none of them 'went'. Carlos went slow by cancer, the most talented 'scout' died in the desert, the other 'scout' got herself a colostomy bag, the four other leaders of Cleargreen including two 'witches' ran away (perhaps killed themselves too for all we know), and the only one of the original 'disciples of don Juan' left hides and does nothing for a decade. One might imagine that any of those 'disciples of don Juan' could have done something to make it apparent that the claims about 'amazing freedom' were real. But none of them did.
None. That's obviously because the 'amazing freedom' wasn't real. It was a grandiose illusion. The claims were lies. Perfect freedom was imaginary. It was all fiction all along.