07-20-2012, 12:10 AM
I have updated the relevant explanations at series of posts at Modern Nagualism-What Happens After Death? thread: check the full thread with NLWs (he is our test pilot anyway,) experiences at http://sorcery.yuku.com/t...eath?page=1#.UAmBYVIs1w0
some are reposted here:
i.e. Nagual says the the right intent for the first attention is to live a happy life, for tonal. Buddha says that truth means to be happy, to live happily. thats the path of heart. the same.
in this manner one takes a good care about the second attention body, the energy body, the soul, double
as this second attention body the energy body is a real deal of matters, the problem after death of physical body, as it goes to Space either way... a form of continuation/transference/transformation
third attention is cosmic consciousness not in assemblage point, but point of merging with universe states of consciousness.
at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness
this is not just a plain infinite consciousness, a force of creation, a plateau from which spring the total energy fields of Universe, nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness..
it is the TOTAL UNIVERSE CONSCIOUSNESS PLATEAU, the state of BUDDHA basis. The Clear Light of Consc. and the total energy fields of Universe emanate from that.
this the difference in the orientation or attitude in buddhism/nagualism axis - the attitude to the "third attention" universal energetic facts. i.e. the Buddha is directly oriented to that basis (atiyoga/dzogchen) and Nagual is oriented only on the point of crossing in the third attention.
But i say that as we hold the knowledge, if you say that some has "dissolved", such a being either became one with that infinite base (Buddha) or emanated.
We can make a synthesis on Buddhism/Nagualism at this point of third attention - either crossing over or merging, we can describe it. Such a Nagual then becomes a pratyeka-buddha class.
we are able to write a new chapter in the history, of Modern Nagualism.
first, i can point this important distinction at two points:
1) the crossing over at the third attention intact - one leaves intact (the fire from withing only option, this is not death =) there is no death at this point, both two energy spheres merges and leaves
but this is an accomplishment. otherwise if you die, if you die and dissintegrates at your physical body energy sphere, only your energy body leaves, as a "ghost", thats the "flight to second attention". thats "graveyard" according to DJM.
2) if you leave - the crossing over at the third attention intact - you are going to the Stars.
but if you boot it as pratyeka-buddha, you can mount yourself on the infinite planes anywhere =))
So this modern upgrade to the Nagual proposal is the devolopment of deep inner silence levels (jhanic levels) - devolepment of awareness on those levels both in your bodies - thats a "meditation", jhanic growth - to be able have substantial spring-board to the Infinite Universe, to have a magnitude as a star at the point of third attention so to speak.
To have a magnitude as a star when you leave at total third attention crossing-over merger - you need the jhanic levels development, the deep states of "inner silence"/ "meditation" - that means to turn your awareness on the Infinite energetic fields of Universal consciosness still alive - thats transcendence.
Just meditate a bit on the Infinite consciousness dear friends and you will see what will happen with your nagual development, e.g. how high you can get in your dreaming.
Total freedom crossing, "the fire from within" in not destruction of a luminious sphere of physical body, but a merging luminous shere of physical body with luminous sphere of energy body together. there is no death (marana), no corpse. One turns matter of physical body into pure energy, "changing the vibrations" using the agglutinating force. (maybe some tensegrity is usefull for that focus). Otherwise this exercise is reffered under: Tögal practice http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=T%C3%B6gal It is also documented in India/Tibet, not only Don Juan.So here you can find ref. for that.
If you die in the luminous sphere of physical body, your energy/awareness is dissolved and becomes cosmic. One faces the Universe, with its universal cosmic energetic facts (Universe is Buddha). Maybe then you can "leave" as energy body, as a ghost, if you hold on. Normal people loose cons. second time and energy body is a trasference of rebirth then. If there is a memory shade remainder its possible, but certainly there is the transference/reappearing/re-arising of being (and it is not a "rebirth" in physical "organic" world, necessarily, but also "inorganic", and thats pretty vast, and can lasts for a pretty long time).
I WARN YOU, if you leave as a ghost, its a graveyard for eternity. You can end up tied somewhere to a pole of eternity as an ass, forever.
If you die, all the mechanism reffered via buddhism applies to you as reffered above.
*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*
I must add that at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness, it is not just a plain infinite consciousness force of creation a plateau from which springs the total energy fields nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness. these true facts are not present in Castanedas books.
*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*
otherwise, the seeing energy directly is a very good point to start - thats really awesome.
Very important note: with sorcery, with people doing sorcery, it is very common they die and become demons, i.e. the demon class.
I.e. their energy body does not leave intact as an original entity, but it is trasformed into demon in the death, as it has acquired its characteristics.
So it is not a ghost at hold-on, but the original entity.
THE OBVIOUS FACT is that ones energy body ("soul") is acquiring characteristics and being transformed to the edge during life as a human, as a sorcerer. Then in death it is transferred like that. This is the death defier class. It is not "freedom".
not all the "death defiers" are same, like the second Indian "Death Defier"/Tenant from Castanedas books. But this is this class. (They cant get beyond kama-loka borders to realms of Gods).
Notice: transference is the term for what happens with your energy body (soul) when you die and you are not a "death defier" class.
some are reposted here:
i.e. Nagual says the the right intent for the first attention is to live a happy life, for tonal. Buddha says that truth means to be happy, to live happily. thats the path of heart. the same.
in this manner one takes a good care about the second attention body, the energy body, the soul, double
as this second attention body the energy body is a real deal of matters, the problem after death of physical body, as it goes to Space either way... a form of continuation/transference/transformation
third attention is cosmic consciousness not in assemblage point, but point of merging with universe states of consciousness.
at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness
this is not just a plain infinite consciousness, a force of creation, a plateau from which spring the total energy fields of Universe, nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness..
it is the TOTAL UNIVERSE CONSCIOUSNESS PLATEAU, the state of BUDDHA basis. The Clear Light of Consc. and the total energy fields of Universe emanate from that.
this the difference in the orientation or attitude in buddhism/nagualism axis - the attitude to the "third attention" universal energetic facts. i.e. the Buddha is directly oriented to that basis (atiyoga/dzogchen) and Nagual is oriented only on the point of crossing in the third attention.
But i say that as we hold the knowledge, if you say that some has "dissolved", such a being either became one with that infinite base (Buddha) or emanated.
We can make a synthesis on Buddhism/Nagualism at this point of third attention - either crossing over or merging, we can describe it. Such a Nagual then becomes a pratyeka-buddha class.
we are able to write a new chapter in the history, of Modern Nagualism.
first, i can point this important distinction at two points:
1) the crossing over at the third attention intact - one leaves intact (the fire from withing only option, this is not death =) there is no death at this point, both two energy spheres merges and leaves
but this is an accomplishment. otherwise if you die, if you die and dissintegrates at your physical body energy sphere, only your energy body leaves, as a "ghost", thats the "flight to second attention". thats "graveyard" according to DJM.
2) if you leave - the crossing over at the third attention intact - you are going to the Stars.
but if you boot it as pratyeka-buddha, you can mount yourself on the infinite planes anywhere =))
So this modern upgrade to the Nagual proposal is the devolopment of deep inner silence levels (jhanic levels) - devolepment of awareness on those levels both in your bodies - thats a "meditation", jhanic growth - to be able have substantial spring-board to the Infinite Universe, to have a magnitude as a star at the point of third attention so to speak.
To have a magnitude as a star when you leave at total third attention crossing-over merger - you need the jhanic levels development, the deep states of "inner silence"/ "meditation" - that means to turn your awareness on the Infinite energetic fields of Universal consciosness still alive - thats transcendence.
Just meditate a bit on the Infinite consciousness dear friends and you will see what will happen with your nagual development, e.g. how high you can get in your dreaming.
Total freedom crossing, "the fire from within" in not destruction of a luminious sphere of physical body, but a merging luminous shere of physical body with luminous sphere of energy body together. there is no death (marana), no corpse. One turns matter of physical body into pure energy, "changing the vibrations" using the agglutinating force. (maybe some tensegrity is usefull for that focus). Otherwise this exercise is reffered under: Tögal practice http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=T%C3%B6gal It is also documented in India/Tibet, not only Don Juan.So here you can find ref. for that.
If you die in the luminous sphere of physical body, your energy/awareness is dissolved and becomes cosmic. One faces the Universe, with its universal cosmic energetic facts (Universe is Buddha). Maybe then you can "leave" as energy body, as a ghost, if you hold on. Normal people loose cons. second time and energy body is a trasference of rebirth then. If there is a memory shade remainder its possible, but certainly there is the transference/reappearing/re-arising of being (and it is not a "rebirth" in physical "organic" world, necessarily, but also "inorganic", and thats pretty vast, and can lasts for a pretty long time).
I WARN YOU, if you leave as a ghost, its a graveyard for eternity. You can end up tied somewhere to a pole of eternity as an ass, forever.
If you die, all the mechanism reffered via buddhism applies to you as reffered above.
*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*
I must add that at the point of third attention (i.e. past death) you encounter the Universal energetic facts, those are cosmic states of consciousness.. like the Clear light of the absolute basis of Universe consciousness, it is not just a plain infinite consciousness force of creation a plateau from which springs the total energy fields nevetherless it has total infinite consciousness. these true facts are not present in Castanedas books.
*(check the tibetan buddhist books on Death and rebirth energetic phenomena, highly recommended, especially Ole Nydahl s last book is completely elaborated on that energetic phenomena, otherwise Lati Rinpoche and Jefrey Hopkins book)*
otherwise, the seeing energy directly is a very good point to start - thats really awesome.
Very important note: with sorcery, with people doing sorcery, it is very common they die and become demons, i.e. the demon class.
I.e. their energy body does not leave intact as an original entity, but it is trasformed into demon in the death, as it has acquired its characteristics.
So it is not a ghost at hold-on, but the original entity.
THE OBVIOUS FACT is that ones energy body ("soul") is acquiring characteristics and being transformed to the edge during life as a human, as a sorcerer. Then in death it is transferred like that. This is the death defier class. It is not "freedom".
not all the "death defiers" are same, like the second Indian "Death Defier"/Tenant from Castanedas books. But this is this class. (They cant get beyond kama-loka borders to realms of Gods).
Notice: transference is the term for what happens with your energy body (soul) when you die and you are not a "death defier" class.