08-04-2018, 12:00 AM
Julio Juliopolis wrote:
Kaomea wrote:
This is a good start from JJ, "This seems to invite the question "Does putting energy into awareness inform us of truth or create it?" If I put enough energy into the awareness that my grandma is actually still alive, can I make that true? Note that I'm talking about putting energy into the awareness of this, not putting energy into believing it."
You wouldn't need to put energy into this statement to make it true. It already is true. I see what you mean, but you're assuming she has died. That is a true assumption, but that is a limiting assumption because that is not the only assumption to be had. It's ignorant to assume she is only dead.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, she is both dead and alive at the same time and it isn't about my putting energy into the awareness to "make it true" but rather to shift myself where I can see that it is true. Is that about right?
If the universe really is as flexible as all that, it obsoletes both logic and reason as tools for determining truth. Perhaps they're still good tools for focusing awareness though.
The question remains how to test all of this. If I shift to see any people that I previously believed were dead, and succeed, maybe I'm only deceiving myself. Is there a way to "know" the truth of this?
Yes, the goal is to shift the perspective to see dual realities. Alive and dead. Not just a blind belief, but belief built from silent knowledge. This all sounds like horse sht and I'm sorry I can't give you a simpler explanation. My English not that good :/ I don't know how to explain it to have it make sense to you.
Yes, the universe is flexible. Yes, logic and reason do become obsolete at a certain point. Most don't reach that point.
Validating an experience or belief occurs when it's a shared experience. If we dream of someone, it's not validated as a shared dream until our dreaming partner verifies the experience. Otherwise, it's just a solo experience and solo experiences are hallucinations it shouldn't actually matter what is "true" or "real" so long as you have a way to meet the experience. If you want to prove something is real, it needs to have a sharing aspect to it. Otherwise, maybe let go of having to decide whether something is real. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, defining it may not be necessary.
Unless you're being hunted by a league of assassins. Then maybe you want proof. I dunno. Decide what you're okay with and what your boundaries are. Wiggle those around until you feel good.
Sometimes, when we stop defining things and move with the flow, it can be magical. I mean, we can put our foot down and fight it tooth and nail, and it's still going to be magical. Either way it's happening. We get to choose how comfortable the ride is, because we're all being taken for a ride
Kaomea wrote:
This is a good start from JJ, "This seems to invite the question "Does putting energy into awareness inform us of truth or create it?" If I put enough energy into the awareness that my grandma is actually still alive, can I make that true? Note that I'm talking about putting energy into the awareness of this, not putting energy into believing it."
You wouldn't need to put energy into this statement to make it true. It already is true. I see what you mean, but you're assuming she has died. That is a true assumption, but that is a limiting assumption because that is not the only assumption to be had. It's ignorant to assume she is only dead.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, she is both dead and alive at the same time and it isn't about my putting energy into the awareness to "make it true" but rather to shift myself where I can see that it is true. Is that about right?
If the universe really is as flexible as all that, it obsoletes both logic and reason as tools for determining truth. Perhaps they're still good tools for focusing awareness though.
The question remains how to test all of this. If I shift to see any people that I previously believed were dead, and succeed, maybe I'm only deceiving myself. Is there a way to "know" the truth of this?
Yes, the goal is to shift the perspective to see dual realities. Alive and dead. Not just a blind belief, but belief built from silent knowledge. This all sounds like horse sht and I'm sorry I can't give you a simpler explanation. My English not that good :/ I don't know how to explain it to have it make sense to you.
Yes, the universe is flexible. Yes, logic and reason do become obsolete at a certain point. Most don't reach that point.
Validating an experience or belief occurs when it's a shared experience. If we dream of someone, it's not validated as a shared dream until our dreaming partner verifies the experience. Otherwise, it's just a solo experience and solo experiences are hallucinations it shouldn't actually matter what is "true" or "real" so long as you have a way to meet the experience. If you want to prove something is real, it needs to have a sharing aspect to it. Otherwise, maybe let go of having to decide whether something is real. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, defining it may not be necessary.
Unless you're being hunted by a league of assassins. Then maybe you want proof. I dunno. Decide what you're okay with and what your boundaries are. Wiggle those around until you feel good.
Sometimes, when we stop defining things and move with the flow, it can be magical. I mean, we can put our foot down and fight it tooth and nail, and it's still going to be magical. Either way it's happening. We get to choose how comfortable the ride is, because we're all being taken for a ride