MAGICAL PASSES

[watergaze]

glance left wrote:To me, “hearing energy” links maybe to those weird sounds heard before making transition to WILD-type lucid dreaming.  
I have heard the occasional odd sound pop into gazing sessions too.....usually when gazing into darkness behind closed eyes
oh yea totally forgot to consider those... 
I was thinking more like, we look at different things and call it 'gazing'. Then we should listen to different things and call it I dunno 'sounding' or something hehe. And then that can be a gateway into actual seeing. Let's do some sounding before sleep tonight hehe. . 

And yea then we got these accompanying sound phenomena, like the pops and bangs and stuff. And ofc they are not just accompanying, sometimes they are the thing. Strangely I saw weird stuff before but the moments that got me to consider whether I am going crazy was when I heard banging sounds around me where nothing was falling or banging in reality. Or hearing footsteps around you where there is nothing and stuff like that.  This path can be quite scary for starters

I do not know why seeing things was never that scary. But I also do not tend to see some nightmarish fanged faces or whatever in a super real sense...  Whereas a sound is a sound it is real cause it is heard. With vision we can distinguish a bit better the layers...
Or maybe that is not even precise, because there are cases when I hear things and people's voices saying stuff that have a certain different quality to them like dreamlike echo or something and then it is a bit easier to distinguish that it comes from another layer. But often enough I just hear stuff as if it were actually real. 
There is also the hearing just in one's head that kinda bypasses the ears, that one then is ofc easier to identify as not 'audibly real' even if it is not as audibly unreal as one might think (sounds in the head are still sounding).

[Le_Regard]

I'm going to just go all out here and call CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS a magical pass.

[watergaze]

glance left wrote:Trick is to stop inwardly doubting and let the one-thing-leads-to-another take me wherever its leading....even if that's far away from rigid formalism that preceded it
  
Le_Regard wrote:I have found recently that that trick is harder than it sounds because the #1 obstacle to not inwardly doubting yourself is other people.

I know everyone SAYS be detached and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, but that's just not true. There a billions of people, and yes you can hide from most them, but they all get a vote.

I sound crazy but no really in addition to the Taoist and Buddhist roots to Chinese qigong there is whole CONFUCIAN TRADITION that no one in the West in wants to talk about and caring about the energetic wellness of family and society is not really a new idea at all.

it is an obstacle, sure, if other people doubt you. But it is not the number one obstacle. Not in my opinion. That is why one can say it doesn't matter - in the long run. 
I'm not sure why you say the west doesnt want to talk about the idea of caring for the wellness of others and society. I think many people want that. They just see it as hard to achieve. Still they try in some ways.
And this is what I like about the shamanic tradition. The community spirit. The fact that the shaman has a community and helps care for the well-being of the collective. And that one thing that practitioners of shamanism are learning is how to suspend their judgments and not talk bs about others. Talk /think well about people... it is good for you and them both.

[Le_Regard]

watergaze wrote:
And this is what I like about the shamanic tradition. The community spirit. The fact that the shaman has a community and helps care for the well-being of the collective. And that one thing that practitioners of shamanism are learning is how to suspend their judgments and not talk bs about others. Talk /think well about people... it is good for you and them both.
You lost me. If that's what a shaman does, does a warrior do? Soldiers do a lot worse to people than "talk bs" about them.

[Le_Regard]

Le_Regard wrote:I'm going to just go all out here and call CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS a magical pass.I just want to also mention that I typed that sitting around a table with at least one former member of the Communist Party of Israel.

[watergaze]

warriors do not have much to do with soldiers, Le. I guess I am not sure where you got lost...
warrior is just a term for a person who is fighting to get to/walk a different path. Someone like that needs to break free from old constraints, from their habitual positions and it is someone who needs lots of discipline to start new practices and to see through some hard to see things about themselves and other stuff. etc.

When you are with other people, I would assume that it was better to focus on them and not multitask

[Le_Regard]

watergaze wrote:warriors do not have much to do with soldiers, Le. I guess I am not sure where you got lost...
warrior is just a term for a person who is fighting to get to/walk a different path. Someone like that needs to break free from old constraints, from their habitual positions and it is someone who needs lots of discipline to start new practices and to see through some hard to see things about themselves and other stuff. etc.

When you are with other people, I would assume that it was better to focus on them and not multitask Ok yeah. That's the part I was stuck on. You can delete me now.

[Le_Regard]

I hope the world you live in never gets bad enough that people like you ever have to take being a "warrior" seriously again.

[watergaze]

and there we were... just talking about how great it is when people don't think bad stuff about others...

Do you really consider yourself so much better than the people around here? What makes you 'serious'?

I have found that posturing is quite unhelpful. And looking down on others is quite detrimental to seeking knowledge.

[glance left]

Le_Regard wrote:
glance left wrote:"One opens up to something and teachers are everywhere = learning is just waiting to happen for those who are curious and open." WG

Yes, exactly this  

Trick is to stop inwardly doubting and let the one-thing-leads-to-another take me wherever its leading....even if that's far away from rigid formalism that preceded it  
I have found recently that that trick is harder than it sounds because the #1 obstacle to not inwardly doubting yourself is other people.

I know everyone SAYS be detached and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, but that's just not true.  There a billions of people, and yes you can hide from most them, but they all get a vote.

Well, I can certainly be more detached, if not completely detached.  Its a spectrum one can calibrate along

[glance left]

watergaze wrote:
glance left wrote:To me, “hearing energy” links maybe to those weird sounds heard before making transition to WILD-type lucid dreaming.  
I have heard the occasional odd sound pop into gazing sessions too.....usually when gazing into darkness behind closed eyes
oh yea totally forgot to consider those... 
I was thinking more like, we look at different things and call it 'gazing'. Then we should listen to different things and call it I dunno 'sounding' or something hehe. And then that can be a gateway into actual seeing. Let's do some sounding before sleep tonight hehe. . 

And yea then we got these accompanying sound phenomena, like the pops and bangs and stuff. And ofc they are not just accompanying, sometimes they are the thing. Strangely I saw weird stuff before but the moments that got me to consider whether I am going crazy was when I heard banging sounds around me where nothing was falling or banging in reality. Or hearing footsteps around you where there is nothing and stuff like that.  This path can be quite scary for starters

I do not know why seeing things was never that scary. But I also do not tend to see some nightmarish fanged faces or whatever in a super real sense...  Whereas a sound is a sound it is real cause it is heard. With vision we can distinguish a bit better the layers...
Or maybe that is not even precise, because there are cases when I hear things and people's voices saying stuff that have a certain different quality to them like dreamlike echo or something and then it is a bit easier to distinguish that it comes from another layer. But often enough I just hear stuff as if it were actually real. 
There is also the hearing just in one's head that kinda bypasses the ears, that one then is ofc easier to identify as not 'audibly real' even if it is not as audibly unreal as one might think (sounds in the head are still sounding). 

Yeah, actually DJ/CC talked about this at length...that "seeing" or "hearing" energy is actually done with the whole body, but just gets interpreted by these senses because those senses are emphasized in the tonal. 

Sounding....gazing....sure, why not?  Do them both!  I enjoy incorporating sounds into gazing sessions, such as binaural beats and such.  They often result in those ethereal sounds infiltrating into the sessions.  With gazing, one can employ a "soft gaze" in which one allows the periphery of what is seen to fill in so that emphasis is taken off of whatever one is gazing at.  In the same capacity, droning sounds, white/brown noise, binaural beats take the emphasis off specific tonal-like sounds and create a sound-scape conducive for perceptual shifts, which help foster new non-ordinary seeing and hearing....not to mention feeling strange, energetic sensations in the body like waves of energy/intensity. 

So we have gazing....hearing.....feeling.  I'm sure there's an ethereal analog for every tonal sense....all of them linked to an energetic whole

[Le_Regard]

watergaze wrote:
and there we were... just talking about how great it is when people don't think bad stuff about others...

Do you really consider yourself so much better than the people around here? What makes you 'serious'?

I have found that posturing is quite unhelpful. And looking down on others is quite detrimental to seeking knowledge. 

"At the time of the Spanish conquest of Yucatán (1527-1546), Ix Tab, or Ixtab ([iʃˈtaɓ], 'Woman whose work involves the use of a rope'), was the indigenous Mayan goddess of suicide by hanging. Playing the role of a psychopomp, she would accompany such suicides to heaven. No certain depictions of Ixtab are known."



"It has been claimed[8] that the Pre-Spanish Maya never had a goddess of suicide by hanging, but that she was invented and kept alive to justify all sorts of colonial and modern evils. The practices of the Spanish inquisition headed by Diego de Landa led to an increase of suicides by hanging, so that Landa may conceivably have invented the story of Ix Tab conducting his victims to heaven to exculpate himself. Originally, Ix Tab may only have been a hunting goddess.[9] Nowadays, the sensationalist idea of a ‘cult of Ix Tab’ appears to be invoked by popular Yucatecan media to cover up the fact that Yucatan has a suicide rate far higher than Mexico at large, and thus to deflect attention from its possible social causes.[10]"

Don't worry about it, I feel pretty good about deleting my tapatalk account now.

[Pixie Dust]

That's why we don't play bad mind games with people. You either support muggles and be a decent human being or you get punched in the face by God!!!!!!!!

God 25 vs Prince Piggy 0

[Pixie Dust]

Or. More realistically, God and his angels sit at the round table and laugh at the inaccurate assumptions Prince Piggy makes.

[watergaze]

You are not deleting anything - I am . 
Or maybe you actually mean you are deleting your account yourself... then yay that I do not need to bother with it on my end. 

It was my intent for not deleting you right away that everyone would feel better about it. So, I'm glad that worked out. 
(No irony, in case you are wondering)

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Lol Pixie, nice touch with the roundtable . I do not think Le_R is capable of understanding that reference though - it's before his time.

[watergaze]

glance wrote:Yeah, actually DJ/CC talked about this at length...that "seeing" or "hearing" energy is actually done with the whole body, but just gets interpreted by these senses because those senses are emphasized in the tonal.
Hm, guess I should reread them books. My memory is fading - or rather there is just too much in there to soak it all in on the first read.

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glance wrote:Sounding....gazing....sure, why not?  Do them both!  I enjoy incorporating sounds into gazing sessions, such as binaural beats and such.  They often result in those ethereal sounds infiltrating into the sessions.  With gazing, one can employ a "soft gaze" in which one allows the periphery of what is seen to fill in so that emphasis is taken off of whatever one is gazing at.  In the same capacity, droning sounds, white/brown noise, binaural beats take the emphasis off specific tonal-like sounds and create a sound-scape conducive for perceptual shifts, which help foster new non-ordinary seeing and hearing....not to mention feeling strange, energetic sensations in the body like waves of energy/intensity. 

So we have gazing....hearing.....feeling.  I'm sure there's an ethereal analog for every tonal sense....all of them linked to an energetic whole .
Yea, totally right, I forgot as I was writing my post that you do incorporate the sounds together with the gazing and such. Me, I am more of a one thing at a time kinda person when I do my practices... I also prefer live music to recordings and I found it harder to say drum to myself and travel at the same time. It needed practice and it feels almost like work hhe. I do a lot with sounds but then I do not tend to gaze. So... I guess this is an impetus for me to mix it up. I am getting a bit better at 'multitasking' .

And yes, feeling things with the body... this is actually something very few talk about. We talk of seeing things, hearing things... but feeling the touch of things that weren't there? At least not visibly or audibly. I have... it is quite something too... (ofc I assume that at least in dreams quite a few of us had this kind of experience, I mean like when the real body feels things that happen in dreams - but everything is a bit more 'weird' if it is happening when awake). Have you had this experience? Do tell

all the senses indeed

[glance left]

During recapitulation yesterday, the historical scenes being reviewed/recovered where interspersed with intensely energetic visions....mostly abstractions of color.  Then, I see an image of a young girl in a blue dress playing on her own out on a sidewalk in her neighborhood.  She is doing something with her hands.  My visual perspective draws closer, and is see that each of her hands have been replaced by this void-like space within which is this blurring, multicolored, fractal of circular motion, creating a thrumming, boiling mandala of movement....spinning, spinning, spinning at high speed....moving this way and that, shifted from one plane, rotating to another, propelled by her arms....by her union with intent.

The body likes to move, its obvious.  I like to move.  Sometimes with form as with Tensegrity....Tsa Lung....purposeful breaths with hand held mudras....Buddhist prostrations....Qigong.  And sometimes without form letting the winds of intent direct the motion (seems random....but its really not, is it?)  Form or formless....the intent is to align with intent at large in the universe.  To disappear, as best I can, into that vast intelligence.  Poetry in motion as abstract affection

[glance left]

"And yes, feeling things with the body... this is actually something very few talk about. We talk of seeing things, hearing things... but feeling the touch of things that weren't there? At least not visibly or audibly. I have... it is quite something too... (ofc I assume that at least in dreams quite a few of us had this kind of experience, I mean like when the real body feels things that happen in dreams - but everything is a bit more 'weird' if it is happening when awake). Have you had this experience? Do tell "

Yes!  See above

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