05-17-2011, 12:00 AM
Gonzo wrote:
Alien wrote:
With regard to keeping what "feels" right to someone... some people think it "feels right" to believe that all gays should be killed or that other races are inferior due to skin color or region of birth or that anyone who doesn't believe in their religion is a heretic who should be stoned., . Read an article just recently where some women in India were killed by their husbands because they produced female children, and their husbands "felt" it was the fault of the women. So my point is that what we "feel" isn't always necessarily true. And faith is just another word for unfounded belief - and in the name of "faith" entire civilizations have been wiped out because someone "felt" God was on their side.
With this you are now getting off into morality, which differs by culture, which as we all know, in some cases allows for things our culture regards as wrong, but that is merely our morality versus theirs, in both cases, products of respective cultures. What has this to do with faith?
The men who stoned their wives to death believed they were "right". They had faith in whatever cockamamie religion tells them that they "should" have sons and not daughters, or they "should" blame their wives for the sex of the child, even though any competent 4th grader knows a child's sex is determined by the male. Belief = faith = abject stupidity. Somewhere in the equation of the women who were stoned, religion is at the core. True believers acting out their beliefs. It has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with false beliefs (i.e., faith).
In regard "feel", in my own seeking for understanding I've moved through a variety of teachings/philosophies/religions, and each felt "right" for a while,
"For awhile." In other words, until you evolved beyond THAT feeling and into something else... or until you came to your senses. Heh. Point being - feelings are part of our biological matrix, and while they may be useful as guidelines, they are hardly reliable as the basis for determining universal truth. Why? Because our minds have been so conditioned by what CC referred to as "the foreign installation" that most non-warriors (and apparently even several folks who say they are warriors!) believe what they have been conditioned to believe, whether it makes any kind of sense or not. I hear all sorts of new age feel goodisms all the time. "Good will always triumph over evil." "God is love." "The universe is looking out for me." Er... just because someone believes it doesn't make it so. It's a comfort zone... until something better comes along, or until one has a negative experience that changes their mantra into "Evil always wins." "God hates me." "The universe is out to get me." None of these are universal truths, obviously, but are subject to change according to whether your car has a flat tire that day or not.
and certain aspects of several continue to feel "right", which is to say, somehow the teaching makes sense to me, and it presents to me a plausible explanation for the human experience. None can be proven to be correct, so the best I can do is respond to the feel, to the resonance. That can easily be called faith, however, I don't see how else one can approach philosophical and spiritual matters.
In general, I don't entirely disagree. Surprise! Obviously at some point, we have to choose a direction and head toward it, and sometimes the ONLY thing we have to go on is a "hunch" or a feeling. My comments - don't forget - are mainly directed toward warriors and sorcerers, where something more than a "feeling" stands behind the feeling itself. Meaning: if a warrior/sorcerer proceeds on the basis of a "hunch", it's because s/he has done the work leading up to that moment.
It wasn't just blind faith that allowed Carlos to jump off the precipice. If an ordinary human tried that, he'd be dead. Carlos had done the work leading up to that moment. Lots of idiots jump off of buildings "believing" they can fly. Truly. Believing. (Splat). Carlos jumped off the cliff knowing he could NOT fly, and simultaneously knowing he knew nothing. His assemblage point was not rooted in any "belief", because he had done the work of eliminating all beliefs. He didn't survive because don Juan told him he would, nor because god was on his side. He survived because no faith or belief were required for a sorcerer who could assemble other worlds.
Alien wrote:
With regard to keeping what "feels" right to someone... some people think it "feels right" to believe that all gays should be killed or that other races are inferior due to skin color or region of birth or that anyone who doesn't believe in their religion is a heretic who should be stoned., . Read an article just recently where some women in India were killed by their husbands because they produced female children, and their husbands "felt" it was the fault of the women. So my point is that what we "feel" isn't always necessarily true. And faith is just another word for unfounded belief - and in the name of "faith" entire civilizations have been wiped out because someone "felt" God was on their side.
With this you are now getting off into morality, which differs by culture, which as we all know, in some cases allows for things our culture regards as wrong, but that is merely our morality versus theirs, in both cases, products of respective cultures. What has this to do with faith?
The men who stoned their wives to death believed they were "right". They had faith in whatever cockamamie religion tells them that they "should" have sons and not daughters, or they "should" blame their wives for the sex of the child, even though any competent 4th grader knows a child's sex is determined by the male. Belief = faith = abject stupidity. Somewhere in the equation of the women who were stoned, religion is at the core. True believers acting out their beliefs. It has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with false beliefs (i.e., faith).
In regard "feel", in my own seeking for understanding I've moved through a variety of teachings/philosophies/religions, and each felt "right" for a while,
"For awhile." In other words, until you evolved beyond THAT feeling and into something else... or until you came to your senses. Heh. Point being - feelings are part of our biological matrix, and while they may be useful as guidelines, they are hardly reliable as the basis for determining universal truth. Why? Because our minds have been so conditioned by what CC referred to as "the foreign installation" that most non-warriors (and apparently even several folks who say they are warriors!) believe what they have been conditioned to believe, whether it makes any kind of sense or not. I hear all sorts of new age feel goodisms all the time. "Good will always triumph over evil." "God is love." "The universe is looking out for me." Er... just because someone believes it doesn't make it so. It's a comfort zone... until something better comes along, or until one has a negative experience that changes their mantra into "Evil always wins." "God hates me." "The universe is out to get me." None of these are universal truths, obviously, but are subject to change according to whether your car has a flat tire that day or not.
and certain aspects of several continue to feel "right", which is to say, somehow the teaching makes sense to me, and it presents to me a plausible explanation for the human experience. None can be proven to be correct, so the best I can do is respond to the feel, to the resonance. That can easily be called faith, however, I don't see how else one can approach philosophical and spiritual matters.
In general, I don't entirely disagree. Surprise! Obviously at some point, we have to choose a direction and head toward it, and sometimes the ONLY thing we have to go on is a "hunch" or a feeling. My comments - don't forget - are mainly directed toward warriors and sorcerers, where something more than a "feeling" stands behind the feeling itself. Meaning: if a warrior/sorcerer proceeds on the basis of a "hunch", it's because s/he has done the work leading up to that moment.
It wasn't just blind faith that allowed Carlos to jump off the precipice. If an ordinary human tried that, he'd be dead. Carlos had done the work leading up to that moment. Lots of idiots jump off of buildings "believing" they can fly. Truly. Believing. (Splat). Carlos jumped off the cliff knowing he could NOT fly, and simultaneously knowing he knew nothing. His assemblage point was not rooted in any "belief", because he had done the work of eliminating all beliefs. He didn't survive because don Juan told him he would, nor because god was on his side. He survived because no faith or belief were required for a sorcerer who could assemble other worlds.