03-14-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
I recall you saying (in RF) people who stalk others are on an ego trip...that's labeling. You know I believe that we can/should stalk others, so you were saying I'm on an ego trip, lol.
Now what DReamways was doing with me and with Wolf, that was stalking us. How come you don't see that? What else would you call it?I think I am being obstinate here in that I do not agree that when we watch someone's actions in order to help them 'see' the err of their ways, is a kind of (Toltec) stalking. I do not agree. I have been shown however that there are techniques to stalk others, so that we can gain better sight. The aim of that is to further or own development. I can get down with that. What I can't get on board with, and I agree feels SI to me, is pointing out another's flaw, in order to help them be better.
Being involved in Toltec studies, forums, dream-groups etc for about ten years, and only seeing this new definition of stalking in the last few, I am inclined to believe that the term stalking has been loosely applied to something we do online .... and that rendition has come to stick. I wonder how it began, and am seriously considering it is something Lujan has passed on to justify a behaviour of his.
So I am in agreement with moth on this one.
I do not feel that dreamways was stalking you and Wolf. Why? Because I do not see that. You can not force a person to see what you see, any more than you can force them to change. (True -- sorcerers have ways of accomplishing this, but takes a fair amount of skill and power to do so). He may have been stalking something within himself. I have no way of knowing this unless I ask him.
It feels as though we are at an impasse. Guess it's time to move on.
I recall you saying (in RF) people who stalk others are on an ego trip...that's labeling. You know I believe that we can/should stalk others, so you were saying I'm on an ego trip, lol.
Now what DReamways was doing with me and with Wolf, that was stalking us. How come you don't see that? What else would you call it?I think I am being obstinate here in that I do not agree that when we watch someone's actions in order to help them 'see' the err of their ways, is a kind of (Toltec) stalking. I do not agree. I have been shown however that there are techniques to stalk others, so that we can gain better sight. The aim of that is to further or own development. I can get down with that. What I can't get on board with, and I agree feels SI to me, is pointing out another's flaw, in order to help them be better.
Being involved in Toltec studies, forums, dream-groups etc for about ten years, and only seeing this new definition of stalking in the last few, I am inclined to believe that the term stalking has been loosely applied to something we do online .... and that rendition has come to stick. I wonder how it began, and am seriously considering it is something Lujan has passed on to justify a behaviour of his.
So I am in agreement with moth on this one.
I do not feel that dreamways was stalking you and Wolf. Why? Because I do not see that. You can not force a person to see what you see, any more than you can force them to change. (True -- sorcerers have ways of accomplishing this, but takes a fair amount of skill and power to do so). He may have been stalking something within himself. I have no way of knowing this unless I ask him.
It feels as though we are at an impasse. Guess it's time to move on.