Stalking Experiences

[Sedna]

Nu Lang wrote:
Sedna wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:

Also observing theirs. I know you observe mine,...and respond... I observe yours...its natural.Then why not just call it observing?
Note the words observe...and respond. The second part is key. To acquire power one must then act, observation alone does not do much. To simply withdrawal without a response would be a hermetic existence in which you leave everyone alone, no contact, no interaction. Interaction is actually valuable, so its not wise to do this. So we see that there is a twofold 'behavior'...observing and then action based on what was observed.
To answer your question specifically, I don't call it observing because this is a discussion about the art of stalking, and the term stalking was defined by DJ and we here at a nagual forum are exploring the implications. The fact that you suggest it be called observing is actually revealing. If you were out in the world with people who never heard of CC you would likely have to call it observing due to the fact they would not be able to even discuss 'stalking' with you. The advantage to us here is we have a body of knowledge to work with and its called stalking, and we have another body of knowledge to work with its called dreaming. And more than just knowledge, these are practices that are maneuvers with the purpose to move and relocate the assemblage point at will and thus make one free from the confines that all those people out there in daily life are most often unaware of. Thats why we are calling it stalking, a term we all know about here. Becasue its more than just what we know, its what we do with what we know that matters. For warriors, action trumps talking any day. To act effectively in this alternative reality (a separate reality), one must comprehend basic sorcery premises well enough to use them. This can be learned in highlighted awareness, but it must be learned. The world at large does not supply such information, it can only show us regular stalking.

Yes, yes, but you have failed to take any CC quote on stalking and attribute it to a reallife experience.  You say that it is a body of knowledge, I am not sure that you have any knowledge in this area...quotes, yes, knowledge, not so much, and ability to teach and share, next to none.  You still haven't made the case that stalking others has any use whatsoever. 
You say "observe...and respond"...I am not sure the two go hand in hand.  I observe the rain and have no response.  Is it possible that you are operating under a false assumption that one must respond to what they observe?

[Sedna]

Nu Lang wrote:
Enchantra wrote:

The purpose of stalking is twofold: first, to move the assemblage point as steadily and safely as possible, and nothing can do the job as well as stalking ; second, to imprint its principles at such a deep level that the human inventory is bypassed; for example the human inventory's natural reaction of refusing and judging something that may be offensive to reason.

Using the above words from Carlos as to the purpose of stalking, I wonder then, how does this fit in with stalking others?
Enchantra, in the first page of this thread, you posted this quote and it says that stalking moves the assemblage point.

But then she stated that stalking has never moved her AP.

[Sedna]

Nu Lang wrote:
The main thing is to know that the assemblage point is moved slowly by stalking and more significantly by dreaming. Moving it via stalking in first attention prepares one for handling the more drastic shifts in dreaming, second attention. Some people who are not prepared but yet are adept dreamers can become 'insane' not in the sense I talked abotu earlier...which was to be trapped in rational logic, but insane due to not being able to stalk a fixed point of reference once their ap is loosened. Stalking is like the take off and landing of airplanes, it both helps us ascend out of a fixed place, and also enables us to come down to earth at will. The shift of the ap through stalking is gradual and its supposed to be, it serves as a buffer and gives us maneuverability in the otherwise chaotic world of loss of reference points (fluid ap).
Can you give a clear real life example of this?

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Sedna wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:

The main thing is to know that the assemblage point is moved slowly by stalking and more significantly by dreaming. Moving it via stalking in first attention prepares one for handling the more drastic shifts in dreaming, second attention. Some people who are not prepared but yet are adept dreamers can become 'insane' not in the sense I talked abotu earlier...which was to be trapped in rational logic, but insane due to not being able to stalk a fixed point of reference once their ap is loosened. Stalking is like the take off and landing of airplanes, it both helps us ascend out of a fixed place, and also enables us to come down to earth at will. The shift of the ap through stalking is gradual and its supposed to be, it serves as a buffer and gives us maneuverability in the otherwise chaotic world of loss of reference points (fluid ap).
Can you give a clear real life example of this?

Sedna, I started a thread asking for real life examples of stalking, and stalking others, so hopefully some will reply on it for you. We'll see.

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Sedna wrote:Nu Lang wrote:
Enchantra wrote:



Using the above words from Carlos as to the purpose of stalking, I wonder then, how does this fit in with stalking others?
Enchantra, in the first page of this thread, you posted this quote and it says that stalking moves the assemblage point.

But then she stated that stalking has never moved her AP.I should clarify this,  I also said that stalking (myself)  hasn't moved my AP like dreaming or possibly hallucinogens has.  Meaning that if stalking (MYSELF) has shifted my AP it was so subtle that I couldn't detect it.  When dreaming, or other instances like the two times I spoke of that happened recently, when my AP shifts, I FEEL IT!  It's noticeable.  Knocks me off-balance momentarily.

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datura8 wrote:
Sedna, I started a thread asking for real life examples of stalking, and stalking others, so hopefully some will reply on it for you. We'll see.

Oh good.  I am interested to see real life examples of stalking others that are more than just street-stalking while manipulating or attempting to overpower them.

[Nu Lang]

Yes, yes, but you have failed to take any CC quote on stalking and attribute it to a reallife experience. -Sedna



"You on the other hand, feel that you are immortal, and the decisions of an immortal man can be cancelled or regretted or doubted. In a world where death is the hunter, my friend, there is not time for regrets or doubts. There is only time for decisions."



by Don Juan Matus from "Journey to Ixtlan" by Carlos Castaneda
Nu Lang wrote:Ok, wow this was a weird recap. It happened last night...a spontaneous memory, out of the blue.



The song is "whip it" by Devo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEVqFB4WUo
lol. I never really liked the song much, but it was POPULAR. I didn't
mind roller skating to it, but those Devo guys sort of creeped me out.
Then with that whip in their hands...even creepier.



But the memory of this song is on the car radio and my sister is
driving, probably it was our grandparents car but I can't remember. We
pull up to a convenience store, I think she wanted to get Marlborough
lights cigarettes, and then we went over to the candy section. They had
all these weird candies, like someone at the candy factory had too much
time on their hands, lol, so designed all these weird choices. I
remember I bought some candy that was made in the shape and color of a
hamburger, so it looked like a mini hamburger (even had 'green lettuce')
but tasted like candy. Then I also bought something that was like
chocolate frosting, but it was candy, sold as candy. It was very
strange, our array of purchases.



Then I recall the sun was setting. We were like these wandering gypsies,
vagabonds. We felt such a close kinship and enjoyed each others company
for hours and hours. We didn't feel like going home that day, so one of
us suggested we go to Dunkin Doughnuts (like we needed more sugar,
right?) but it was so we could 'hang out' mainly. And its odd we ended
up there because we never went there, but maybe thats the very reason we
decided to go, I can't recall our reasoning, I just know we got there
around sunset, and were in a melancholy mood (sugar withdrawal plus
being these gypsy-wanderers with no where to go). We had been introduced
to Castaneda's works by that time.



So we got our coffees and doughnuts, and went to the back of the place
to sit down by some wall to wall glass windows. I remember no one else
was in the store but the worker...it was deserted. So as we are having
our coffee and doughnuts and talking, we see outside this glass window
is a cemetery! lol, really bizarre. It was right beside the building
even, like on the same plot of land, on a slight inclined hill that
ended with a concrete wall and behind that were residential houses. And
whats even more bizarre is the way they did the graves. The head markers
and then a mound of dirt piled up where the body would lie. It looked
literally like they failed to actually bury the bodies, that instead
they just dropped them on ground level and then covered them with dirt.
It was very macabre us having the conversation about this in Dunkin
Doughnuts, it made the dunkin doughnuts seen like an illusory state of
mind in which people pretend there is no death...but here is this glass
window wall to wall in the back, and reveals the 'dark secret' of truth
that all the sugar and frosting coated treats humans make to forget
mortality can't prevent it. Then my sister, who is pretty macabre like
me too, but more likely to point it out, said,...oh look there's a
baby's grave. And I looked and saw a grave with a small mound of dirt.
And that really gave me chills.



"Whip it, whip it real good." Sounds like death, it'll whip you real
good when you are trying to enjoy your frosted doughnuts. But we sought
that, my sister and I, the crack between the worlds. That's the reason
we didn't want to go home just yet...home was 'safe' , 'sheltered' and
we were young and full of spirit.
But just lookign up the actual
lyrics to the song, I see the voice of spirit...Becaue they lyrics are
actually very warriorly, lol. They are the words of a man of
action...very short and blunt, 'just do it'. Don't let death whip
you...act. Fight death? No, but certainly the morbidness that overtakes
one when they try to deny it (dunkin doughnuts will protect me, lol...or
McDonalds or Disneyland or whatever the poison) and then are forced to
face death unprepared.
Whip It lyrics

crack that whip
give the past the slip
step on a crack
break your momma's back
when a problem comes along
you must whip it
before the cream sits out too long
you must whip it
when something's going wrong
you must whip it
now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good
when a good time turns around
you must whip it
you will never live it down
unless you whip it
no one gets away
until they whip it
i say whip it
whip it good
i say whip it
whip it good
crack that whip
give the past the slip
step on a crack
break your momma's back
when a problem comes along
you must whip it
before the cream sits out too long
you must whip it
when something's going wrong
you must whip it
now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good


Posted this yesterday on Tone forum, thread Ra King Roll.

[Nu Lang]

In a world where death is the hunter, my friend, there is not time for regrets or doubts. There is only time for decisions." -Juan Matus



"But just lookign up the actual lyrics to the song, I see the voice of spirit...Becaue they lyrics are actually very warriorly, lol. They are the words of a man of action...very short and blunt, 'just do it'. Don't let death whip you...act. Fight death? No, but certainly the morbidness that overtakes one when they try to deny it (dunkin doughnuts will protect me, lol...or McDonalds or Disneyland or whatever the poison) and then are forced to face death unprepared." -Nu Lang

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