06-24-2017, 12:00 AM
Yeah, it's a mess in every direction. (You've been headlong into the worst of it, sounds like) But maybe, as you implied before, something happens by proxy in terms of taking the charge (innocence) born of recapitulation out there in the midst of that mess. Maybe that charge can incite change. Speaking personally, something seems to shift among the people I'm around when I'm clear (a fluctuating thing, given my slow to resolve instability)....but maybe that shift is only in my perception (but, really....is there anything else? apart from what's perceived?)
"i guess it comes down to what you believe exists before the current corporeal.
is it human archetypes free of each other and autonomous?"
I don't know how useful it is, at least for me, to look at things this way. The fore and aft of the spear of destiny with the gap being the present. You implied that's its all in the present at one point up above and, to me, that's where whatever's going on is in play and can be addressed....right here and now. In that respect, the clusterfuck, has to do with a level of awareness that's occurring right now, where obsessive clinging to the sense of self to the extent that it's terrified of no longer existing in the sense of the known creates the clusterfuck, which is a mish-mash of never-ending grabbing/stealing/killing/fleeing/hiding/dividing/conquering/pleasure-seeking and pain-avoiding......etc. The "free-and-autonomous" part is here too.....on a deeper level, beneath clusterfuck level. To indulge in metaphor, I like to think of the ocean. Storms whip it into a frenzy, but only superficially. The deeper down you go, the less of the mayhem above is experienced. Detachment/unraveling lends itself to shifting away from and below the level of clusterfuck, much of which occurs at the level of the mind/dialog. At least that's where it's perpetuated. Its a simple paradigm, but it's all I can manage, honestly.
So, on a personal note....recap to detach and unravel and then to progressively sink below the chop up on top. Uphold inner silence to maintain that trajectory and progress in this process. Soon, as detachment progresses, the known gives way to the unknown.....perhaps where the more autonomous archetypes exist in a much less hellish/clusterfuck-like existence....and then, well.....if the process persists, maybe then the unknown gives way to the unknowable...where the form of human-ness becomes less recognizable. But its all still connected through and through. The known is here.......the unknown is here....and the unknowable is here.....all coexisting. You mentioned the pivot point around which all three rings revolve. That has something to do with it, if I understand you at all.
In terms of the "point of recapitulation"....I think the underlying intent dictates whether it finds the proper position and proceeds from there (trajectory of the spear of destiny) The heartfelt intent to get to the heart of the issue and then to persist. You mentioned that recap is not simple memory.....I agree, but it has to start somewhere. And for most, simple memory is the only starting point available. The formal list helps get the ball rolling, I guess
"i guess it comes down to what you believe exists before the current corporeal.
is it human archetypes free of each other and autonomous?"
I don't know how useful it is, at least for me, to look at things this way. The fore and aft of the spear of destiny with the gap being the present. You implied that's its all in the present at one point up above and, to me, that's where whatever's going on is in play and can be addressed....right here and now. In that respect, the clusterfuck, has to do with a level of awareness that's occurring right now, where obsessive clinging to the sense of self to the extent that it's terrified of no longer existing in the sense of the known creates the clusterfuck, which is a mish-mash of never-ending grabbing/stealing/killing/fleeing/hiding/dividing/conquering/pleasure-seeking and pain-avoiding......etc. The "free-and-autonomous" part is here too.....on a deeper level, beneath clusterfuck level. To indulge in metaphor, I like to think of the ocean. Storms whip it into a frenzy, but only superficially. The deeper down you go, the less of the mayhem above is experienced. Detachment/unraveling lends itself to shifting away from and below the level of clusterfuck, much of which occurs at the level of the mind/dialog. At least that's where it's perpetuated. Its a simple paradigm, but it's all I can manage, honestly.
So, on a personal note....recap to detach and unravel and then to progressively sink below the chop up on top. Uphold inner silence to maintain that trajectory and progress in this process. Soon, as detachment progresses, the known gives way to the unknown.....perhaps where the more autonomous archetypes exist in a much less hellish/clusterfuck-like existence....and then, well.....if the process persists, maybe then the unknown gives way to the unknowable...where the form of human-ness becomes less recognizable. But its all still connected through and through. The known is here.......the unknown is here....and the unknowable is here.....all coexisting. You mentioned the pivot point around which all three rings revolve. That has something to do with it, if I understand you at all.
In terms of the "point of recapitulation"....I think the underlying intent dictates whether it finds the proper position and proceeds from there (trajectory of the spear of destiny) The heartfelt intent to get to the heart of the issue and then to persist. You mentioned that recap is not simple memory.....I agree, but it has to start somewhere. And for most, simple memory is the only starting point available. The formal list helps get the ball rolling, I guess