02-12-2011, 12:00 AM
Turin Otzaki wrote:
"So the question becomes... as impeccable warriors, how do we step outside of time so as to escape the most powerful weapon of the foreign installation?"
Ok death. As an advisor. That can be received in fear, 'oh god we are gonna die' and so the influence from the foreign installation, it loves us to be afraid.
or it can be considered a reminder of the paramount urgency to remain in the present and not to waste time. No fear.
It sounds to me like the fear aspect of death, posing as running out of time, is getting to you. When this happens to me, I surrender more, seek refuge, tackle head on the fear of Infinity and dive into my attraction to it. Up the LOVE.Hi, Turin...
I get what you're saying, although I must say for myself that I am totally without fear these days, as Death and I have become pretty well acquainted over the past few months. What I'm questioning is whether even our most intrinsic beliefs are real or may be nothing more than... well... beliefs. I do agree that how we look at the equation determines the outcome: "oh god we're gonna die" as opposed to an acute awareness of our (seemingly) finite nature while in humanform.
Heh... I know it may not be a popular question, but I do wonder if even don Juan may have been "wrong" about some things - or else was intentionally misleading in certain statements as a means to get Carlos to wake up. Example, "we are beings who are going to die." That's the common belief system, and it certainly appears to be correct... yet as we all know, appearances can be deceiving, and are generally under the control of the foreign installation. And personally, I don't even see the FI as any sort of "alien" intelligence. It is us -human beliefs fed by human fears to the point that it has become what Jung called the collective subconscious... aka the humanform program which runs in the background without even our knowledge and certainly without our consent... the lowest common denominator of our existence, the things we believe without question.
What I've found is that when I start to question some of those real foundational beliefs (such as "we are beings who are going to die") is when it really starts to get interesting. Humans in general (meaning those who aren't on any particular warrior path) will be very quick to defend their beliefs not only in the inevitability of death, but in all sorts of quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo that seems to go hand in hand with the belief itself. "Yes, we're beings who are going to die, but Hohumbohobo (the deity-du-jour) will rescue my soul from the abyss because s/he is a kind and loving deity and I am so special as to deserve such love and divind intervention.." Er... where do such beliefs really come from, since there is no rational foundation for such thinking anywhere in all the worlds? So... what I'm challenging are those really core-beliefs that have not a lot of basis in reality, and yet so many people just seem to go right on believing them anyway. Death is one of them. We perceive on one level that "all things die", but is that realy a truth or is it merely a warped perception of an experience we cannot completely understand?
I realize there are no concrete answers... just a lot of questions. Sometimes I just have to put them down on cyberpaper and stare at them for awhile... just to see where they might lead. Thanks for your input. Always good to hear from you.
"So the question becomes... as impeccable warriors, how do we step outside of time so as to escape the most powerful weapon of the foreign installation?"
Ok death. As an advisor. That can be received in fear, 'oh god we are gonna die' and so the influence from the foreign installation, it loves us to be afraid.
or it can be considered a reminder of the paramount urgency to remain in the present and not to waste time. No fear.
It sounds to me like the fear aspect of death, posing as running out of time, is getting to you. When this happens to me, I surrender more, seek refuge, tackle head on the fear of Infinity and dive into my attraction to it. Up the LOVE.Hi, Turin...
I get what you're saying, although I must say for myself that I am totally without fear these days, as Death and I have become pretty well acquainted over the past few months. What I'm questioning is whether even our most intrinsic beliefs are real or may be nothing more than... well... beliefs. I do agree that how we look at the equation determines the outcome: "oh god we're gonna die" as opposed to an acute awareness of our (seemingly) finite nature while in humanform.
Heh... I know it may not be a popular question, but I do wonder if even don Juan may have been "wrong" about some things - or else was intentionally misleading in certain statements as a means to get Carlos to wake up. Example, "we are beings who are going to die." That's the common belief system, and it certainly appears to be correct... yet as we all know, appearances can be deceiving, and are generally under the control of the foreign installation. And personally, I don't even see the FI as any sort of "alien" intelligence. It is us -human beliefs fed by human fears to the point that it has become what Jung called the collective subconscious... aka the humanform program which runs in the background without even our knowledge and certainly without our consent... the lowest common denominator of our existence, the things we believe without question.
What I've found is that when I start to question some of those real foundational beliefs (such as "we are beings who are going to die") is when it really starts to get interesting. Humans in general (meaning those who aren't on any particular warrior path) will be very quick to defend their beliefs not only in the inevitability of death, but in all sorts of quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo that seems to go hand in hand with the belief itself. "Yes, we're beings who are going to die, but Hohumbohobo (the deity-du-jour) will rescue my soul from the abyss because s/he is a kind and loving deity and I am so special as to deserve such love and divind intervention.." Er... where do such beliefs really come from, since there is no rational foundation for such thinking anywhere in all the worlds? So... what I'm challenging are those really core-beliefs that have not a lot of basis in reality, and yet so many people just seem to go right on believing them anyway. Death is one of them. We perceive on one level that "all things die", but is that realy a truth or is it merely a warped perception of an experience we cannot completely understand?
I realize there are no concrete answers... just a lot of questions. Sometimes I just have to put them down on cyberpaper and stare at them for awhile... just to see where they might lead. Thanks for your input. Always good to hear from you.