02-12-2011, 12:00 AM
Turin Otzaki wrote:
There's no such thing as death. Sure the bodies go, but that's the shell. That's my 'belief' anyway. But I dont care if ita true or not, cos death as an advisor os pressing me to be present for it all, and that in itself makes for an aware life, a full of intensity one, so either way, Im making the most of it.
What are you questionsing exactly? I think DJM may have put wildcards in there...that some take as gospel.Quiet a few things dont resonate with me.
But re challenging the belief that we die....arnt you then just one of those hopeful and unrealistic immortalists ? I dont have a problem with the idea that these bodies conk out at some point.Oh, I do agree - the bodies go, or certainly appear to go, but even that is based on what we see and not necessarily what we see. In other words, we only perceive what we are able to perceive, and I have-to-believe (out of common sense) that if a race of "immortals" existed, they would probably stay well away from humans for fear of being slaughtered out of miunderstandin, fear and the like. Do I really believe immortals are among us? Sure. There are so many things we cannot see with our eyes, yet know in our hearts. And, yes, I definitely agree that death as an advisor makes us aware and makes for a fuller, more intense life. Knowing that every action I take could be my last, I choose my battles and my silences with that Knowledge.
What am I questioning? Well.. oh... everything! LOL. Seriously... I agree also that DJM put a few wild cards in the brew, maybe just to get our attention, or (maybe more likely) Carlos himself didn't fully "grok" everything he was taught and could only report it to the best of his ability. I've always felt intuitively that DJM was Carlos's double - or "alter-ego", if one prefers - though I realize most people prefer to think DJM was an extant teacher. Doesn't matter in the long run, since the best teacher we have is the one between our brows, the master of silent knowing. But, yes, I do think there were some red herrings in the stew, and as a result, I also think that a lot of Toltec "students" tend to spend a lot of time and energy chasing after those little fishies. Heh. Maybe I do, too. Seems to be patt of the learning process.
Am I a hopeful or unrealistic "immortalist"? No, not really. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay in this body for eternity. LOL. What I do believe is that we have the ability to transcend/transform/transmogrify - i.e., to essentially go from being organic beings to inorganic beings, by moving the assemblage point from the humanform location into the position of the double. Which brings me to possible another of those red herrings. I'm not entirely an expert on the books of CC, but have read most of them at least twice, some of them (the first 4) quite a bit more than that. Anyway... at some point I recall DJM talking about essentially "leaving the earth in the manner of a sorcerer", and the implication was that the physical body would "disappear" or something to that effect. If I'm wrong, and anyone has the exact chapter & verse, please post it. But what I'm getting at is that this is also a bit of "mythology" that is prevlent throughout many of the traditional spiritual paths, including the myth that when Jesus was "resurrected", his body had become "radiant" and even his own followers didn't recognize him. Energy body? And if so, what became of the corpse left behind in the tomb?
Just questions I ask myself from time to time... sort of a personal area of research/study for me.
There's no such thing as death. Sure the bodies go, but that's the shell. That's my 'belief' anyway. But I dont care if ita true or not, cos death as an advisor os pressing me to be present for it all, and that in itself makes for an aware life, a full of intensity one, so either way, Im making the most of it.
What are you questionsing exactly? I think DJM may have put wildcards in there...that some take as gospel.Quiet a few things dont resonate with me.
But re challenging the belief that we die....arnt you then just one of those hopeful and unrealistic immortalists ? I dont have a problem with the idea that these bodies conk out at some point.Oh, I do agree - the bodies go, or certainly appear to go, but even that is based on what we see and not necessarily what we see. In other words, we only perceive what we are able to perceive, and I have-to-believe (out of common sense) that if a race of "immortals" existed, they would probably stay well away from humans for fear of being slaughtered out of miunderstandin, fear and the like. Do I really believe immortals are among us? Sure. There are so many things we cannot see with our eyes, yet know in our hearts. And, yes, I definitely agree that death as an advisor makes us aware and makes for a fuller, more intense life. Knowing that every action I take could be my last, I choose my battles and my silences with that Knowledge.
What am I questioning? Well.. oh... everything! LOL. Seriously... I agree also that DJM put a few wild cards in the brew, maybe just to get our attention, or (maybe more likely) Carlos himself didn't fully "grok" everything he was taught and could only report it to the best of his ability. I've always felt intuitively that DJM was Carlos's double - or "alter-ego", if one prefers - though I realize most people prefer to think DJM was an extant teacher. Doesn't matter in the long run, since the best teacher we have is the one between our brows, the master of silent knowing. But, yes, I do think there were some red herrings in the stew, and as a result, I also think that a lot of Toltec "students" tend to spend a lot of time and energy chasing after those little fishies. Heh. Maybe I do, too. Seems to be patt of the learning process.
Am I a hopeful or unrealistic "immortalist"? No, not really. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay in this body for eternity. LOL. What I do believe is that we have the ability to transcend/transform/transmogrify - i.e., to essentially go from being organic beings to inorganic beings, by moving the assemblage point from the humanform location into the position of the double. Which brings me to possible another of those red herrings. I'm not entirely an expert on the books of CC, but have read most of them at least twice, some of them (the first 4) quite a bit more than that. Anyway... at some point I recall DJM talking about essentially "leaving the earth in the manner of a sorcerer", and the implication was that the physical body would "disappear" or something to that effect. If I'm wrong, and anyone has the exact chapter & verse, please post it. But what I'm getting at is that this is also a bit of "mythology" that is prevlent throughout many of the traditional spiritual paths, including the myth that when Jesus was "resurrected", his body had become "radiant" and even his own followers didn't recognize him. Energy body? And if so, what became of the corpse left behind in the tomb?
Just questions I ask myself from time to time... sort of a personal area of research/study for me.