02-13-2011, 12:00 AM
Turin Otzaki wrote:
by asking for immortality you are back in me me me land.....when complete and utter sacrifice of all, costing everything you hold dear is up for burning is required....if freedo is what you want....no place is there for 'what about me'?
I base it on nothing tangible, just a feeling. I dont really care either, whether we survive death or not. To know I have made the very most of the opportunity is enough.
While I undestand intellectually what you're saying, I'm not sure I agree with it completely. Without some sense of self, there is nothing to burn, so the paradox consumes itself and freedom itself has become nothing but an icon in the illusion. And, please understand, I'm not "asking for immortality". Who would one ask, after all? When I'm talking about continuity, I'm not talking about anything on a physical level - though I see no reason why that would be "wrong," per se.
One thing is certain: we can't know one way or the other if we will "survive death" until it happens to us. What I like to challenge are the beliefs we take for granted, because normally when we start looking at them, we start to realize they aren't based on anything other than what we've heard through the grapevine. "All things die," is a rather broad statement to make in a univese so vast. So, my point is simply that when we DO start to examine that kind of fundamental belief sytem, we may discover that it has its origins not in "spirit" but in the machinations of the foreign intallation.
Good conversation.
by asking for immortality you are back in me me me land.....when complete and utter sacrifice of all, costing everything you hold dear is up for burning is required....if freedo is what you want....no place is there for 'what about me'?
I base it on nothing tangible, just a feeling. I dont really care either, whether we survive death or not. To know I have made the very most of the opportunity is enough.
While I undestand intellectually what you're saying, I'm not sure I agree with it completely. Without some sense of self, there is nothing to burn, so the paradox consumes itself and freedom itself has become nothing but an icon in the illusion. And, please understand, I'm not "asking for immortality". Who would one ask, after all? When I'm talking about continuity, I'm not talking about anything on a physical level - though I see no reason why that would be "wrong," per se.
One thing is certain: we can't know one way or the other if we will "survive death" until it happens to us. What I like to challenge are the beliefs we take for granted, because normally when we start looking at them, we start to realize they aren't based on anything other than what we've heard through the grapevine. "All things die," is a rather broad statement to make in a univese so vast. So, my point is simply that when we DO start to examine that kind of fundamental belief sytem, we may discover that it has its origins not in "spirit" but in the machinations of the foreign intallation.
Good conversation.