10-23-2010, 12:00 AM
Wei Shan Yang wrote:You want to bring closure to those who seek (wrongly in your view) peace by setting them straight which would put to rest (peace) their seeking in a way you deem untrue. In other words, you view their peace-seeking as a conflict and want to relieve it by exposing it and thus transforming the perception of, which actually supports the idea that the primary reason for living is to bring resolve, healing.
The issue is the primary reason for living, or put another way, the purpose of life. The only person I'm interested in helping with understanding is myself. I engage in discussions, often as The Devil's Advocate, often as a provocateur, in order to draw people out especially from behind conventional beliefs. I want to hear why they believe as they do, and further, to hear if they can defeat my own arguments, refute my own beliefs.
As I posted earlier, in my opinion, our sole purpose for being here is to learn, or better yet, to just experience being here in human form. I'm of the opinion this is not our "natural" form, that we are in fact Inorganic Beings...that is, to quote, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience: we are spiritual beings having a human experience." Other quotes by Richard Bach have been posted elsewhere.
What makes sense to me is the notion of reincarnation, and specifically as it is discussed in "The Michael Book" by Chelsea Quinn Yarboro, a reference to which may be found at http://www.michaelteachings.com/welcome.html for anyone interested.
Wei Shan Yang wrote:You are trying to bring resolve to the hypocrisy, lol, your very own peace-seeking mission ; ) an attempt to heal what you deem a mistruth. So your prime motive is positive, truth-seeking, even if its incorrect. Otherwise you'd stay silent and let them drown in their apparent hypocrisy. Instead, it bothers you and you seek peace with their actions, in this case, by exposing them so they could potentially change which would make you feel better you suppose.
It has nothing to do with healing, helping, aiding, assisting or feeling better. It has all to do with working towards understanding, despite the old saying about Bodhidarma, in which it is allowed he knows, not that he understands. That, of course, is an ultimate goal, the point of true and abiding unconcern, as reflected in this from The Blue Cliff Record:
The mind of a man of the Way is straightforward, without falsehood; there is no turning away, nor turning towards, no deceitful false mind. At all times his seeing and hearing are normal; there are no further details or subtleties beyond this. He does not close his eyes or block his ears; it is enough that feelings do not attach to things.
Since time immemorial all the sages have only spoken of the faults of impurity; if there is no such perverted consciousness, opinion and thought habits, then it is like an autumn pond, limpid and clean. Pure and clear, without contrivance, quiescent and still, without hindrance; such is called a man of the Way. He is also called an unconcerned man.
The issue is the primary reason for living, or put another way, the purpose of life. The only person I'm interested in helping with understanding is myself. I engage in discussions, often as The Devil's Advocate, often as a provocateur, in order to draw people out especially from behind conventional beliefs. I want to hear why they believe as they do, and further, to hear if they can defeat my own arguments, refute my own beliefs.
As I posted earlier, in my opinion, our sole purpose for being here is to learn, or better yet, to just experience being here in human form. I'm of the opinion this is not our "natural" form, that we are in fact Inorganic Beings...that is, to quote, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience: we are spiritual beings having a human experience." Other quotes by Richard Bach have been posted elsewhere.
What makes sense to me is the notion of reincarnation, and specifically as it is discussed in "The Michael Book" by Chelsea Quinn Yarboro, a reference to which may be found at http://www.michaelteachings.com/welcome.html for anyone interested.
Wei Shan Yang wrote:You are trying to bring resolve to the hypocrisy, lol, your very own peace-seeking mission ; ) an attempt to heal what you deem a mistruth. So your prime motive is positive, truth-seeking, even if its incorrect. Otherwise you'd stay silent and let them drown in their apparent hypocrisy. Instead, it bothers you and you seek peace with their actions, in this case, by exposing them so they could potentially change which would make you feel better you suppose.
It has nothing to do with healing, helping, aiding, assisting or feeling better. It has all to do with working towards understanding, despite the old saying about Bodhidarma, in which it is allowed he knows, not that he understands. That, of course, is an ultimate goal, the point of true and abiding unconcern, as reflected in this from The Blue Cliff Record:
The mind of a man of the Way is straightforward, without falsehood; there is no turning away, nor turning towards, no deceitful false mind. At all times his seeing and hearing are normal; there are no further details or subtleties beyond this. He does not close his eyes or block his ears; it is enough that feelings do not attach to things.
Since time immemorial all the sages have only spoken of the faults of impurity; if there is no such perverted consciousness, opinion and thought habits, then it is like an autumn pond, limpid and clean. Pure and clear, without contrivance, quiescent and still, without hindrance; such is called a man of the Way. He is also called an unconcerned man.