02-09-2009, 12:00 AM
toltechie wrote:
I mentioned one in my very last post in this thread to you. Check out the writings of Theun Mares. In my humble opinion, he's a very sober warrior
indeed, and helps render clarity to many things Castaneda left unclear.
> For me nagual seership is a secundary path. Extremely useful as a bridge and basis between superconsciousness and normalcy, but incomplete. That's only
because I aspire to yogic enlightenment.
You're not talking to someone whose new to the Yogas. Tell me truly - do you think there really is a specific brand of enlightenment which is exclusively
"Yogic"? I think not - enlightenment is a universal phenominon which is a state of consciousness that is a latent faculty in all human beings - a
state which to some fortunate individuals is not mysterious, but natural and yes - common. It is our mind parasite which helps us portray such as abstract,
technical, complicated, mysterious - unattainable.
> Enlightenment is becoming superhuman (beyond human).
You're really contradicting yourslef here. I think it will be found that it's quite naturally human to function spiritually. Enlightenment is merely
a relative degree of it.
Theun Mares is probably a good warrior, good hearted nagual and author but it's not, from what I see, a full blown version of a nagual. I
could and do say the same about Lujan Matus. What's the problem? Even if good-hearted and impeccable they have cultish tendencies. That's not a sign of
full blown development, but that doesn't mean that they are liars and what they are saying is wrong. Not at all. I'm just saying: They don't cut it
for me.
Yogic enlightenment (or any full blown version of enlightenment) is not a common occurrence in this
planet. It's a natural development that will come to everyone sooner or later, but most of us will have it much, much later. Why? Self-Importance, Lazyness... you name it. Thuth be told the bast majority of the "teachers and gurus" are far from
definite enlightenment. They see some lights and rapidly start selling themselves. They go astray
with an intermediate development... even with very basic ones. There are to many gullible individuals to exploit and they can't resist.
That's why I value nagualism, because it's more "easy" to grasp. Developing the second attention is an excellent base for the rest of the
road.
What am I saying? It's hard to do simple things to become simple. We have the aberrative
accumulation of a lot of past lives. We are extremely twisted. It takes a number of them the change
the tide and many more to break all the barriers. Possible in one life? Certainly... but it's very rare to find one individual so devoted to the path and
willful.
I mentioned one in my very last post in this thread to you. Check out the writings of Theun Mares. In my humble opinion, he's a very sober warrior
indeed, and helps render clarity to many things Castaneda left unclear.
> For me nagual seership is a secundary path. Extremely useful as a bridge and basis between superconsciousness and normalcy, but incomplete. That's only
because I aspire to yogic enlightenment.
You're not talking to someone whose new to the Yogas. Tell me truly - do you think there really is a specific brand of enlightenment which is exclusively
"Yogic"? I think not - enlightenment is a universal phenominon which is a state of consciousness that is a latent faculty in all human beings - a
state which to some fortunate individuals is not mysterious, but natural and yes - common. It is our mind parasite which helps us portray such as abstract,
technical, complicated, mysterious - unattainable.
> Enlightenment is becoming superhuman (beyond human).
You're really contradicting yourslef here. I think it will be found that it's quite naturally human to function spiritually. Enlightenment is merely
a relative degree of it.
Theun Mares is probably a good warrior, good hearted nagual and author but it's not, from what I see, a full blown version of a nagual. I
could and do say the same about Lujan Matus. What's the problem? Even if good-hearted and impeccable they have cultish tendencies. That's not a sign of
full blown development, but that doesn't mean that they are liars and what they are saying is wrong. Not at all. I'm just saying: They don't cut it
for me.
Yogic enlightenment (or any full blown version of enlightenment) is not a common occurrence in this
planet. It's a natural development that will come to everyone sooner or later, but most of us will have it much, much later. Why? Self-Importance, Lazyness... you name it. Thuth be told the bast majority of the "teachers and gurus" are far from
definite enlightenment. They see some lights and rapidly start selling themselves. They go astray
with an intermediate development... even with very basic ones. There are to many gullible individuals to exploit and they can't resist.
That's why I value nagualism, because it's more "easy" to grasp. Developing the second attention is an excellent base for the rest of the
road.
What am I saying? It's hard to do simple things to become simple. We have the aberrative
accumulation of a lot of past lives. We are extremely twisted. It takes a number of them the change
the tide and many more to break all the barriers. Possible in one life? Certainly... but it's very rare to find one individual so devoted to the path and
willful.