01-15-2011, 12:00 AM
ninth octave wrote:
Are we or could we be the sons of God?
This is the biggest mystery to man is he still is not certain were he sprang from at least anthropologically wise. I am interested when man got a soul and wanted to know good from evil..
Do good get good do bad get bad. Cause and effect. It's the world we were cast into
I read some basic Kaballah but am more inclined to view the Gnostic version of the creation story. Origin of the World tells of what was happening before In the beginning God..and this most likely tells of the FI's that CC had encountered.
It tells of the FIRST EARTH AGE - BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS WORLD were formed. This is the mystery found in the Kabbalah and what Jesus has taught to his disciples. The gnostic scriptures have certain disciples see or had visions of this time before time.
The Gospel of Truth by a guy named Valentinus is a very impressive book in the Nag Hammadi Scrolls. Speaks in these terms. Many years ago I had a vision that was described in this book and I've not seen a hint of it anywhere else. But, again, if the gnostics or I or anyone else had visions concerning these things, then they exist now. That is why I said sometimes it helps to look at the Creation story as levels of reality rather than a point in time. Both can be true.
The first earth age all in it were in spiritual bodies. In Job 38 ...4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare , if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the the measures there of, if thou knowest? or or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Mankind was sleeping through this just as Adam went into deep sleep in the garden just as Peter, James and John fell asleep in the Garden of Gethsemane as Jesus prayed for the unity of humanity.
I have learned that the Bible is not to be read in chronological order that God's time is not our time. I believe everything in bible is prophetic individually and collectively. I read the Word as in sinks deep into layers of in my subconscious mind and slowly comes to the surface and is seen as a reality.
If God put a sleep on Adam (Mankind) when He separated Eve (the Soul) from the spirit. It seems like the rest of the Scriptures are saying Wake Up! Which it never says happened to Adam in Genesis. It definitely speaks to us at a deeper level and the answers come later after an incubation period.
These are definitely individual experiences and us "waking up" to various stages or levels of reality. I believe even the book of Revelation is an individual experience.
Out of all the various schools of thought on that book, the one that makes the most sense and that lines up with what I believe, it is the vision of Margaret Macdonald. I think I have the name correct. She was a sixteen year old girl during 1800's in Scotland and had a vision. It is short, a few pages, but well worth reading and thinking about and meditating on.
here is a link
http://www.apostasynow.com/topics/trib/pretrib08.html
So are we sons of God? yes, at one point. I believe messengers or angels were sent out after the Fall. But I believe the message has always been to be" born from above" and not from the time when this world was under the influence of the FI's. John 3:16 says it all.
I agree, but I was specifally asking were we the "Sons of God" from Genesis 6. We are sons. There is also an order of angels by that same name in the Qabala etc. I meant that maybe the story of of the "Sons of God" beholding the daughters of men...etc. Could be a telling of our fall from a different perspective. Why we came into bodies in the first place. Just a thought I think on once in a while.
Are we or could we be the sons of God?
This is the biggest mystery to man is he still is not certain were he sprang from at least anthropologically wise. I am interested when man got a soul and wanted to know good from evil..
Do good get good do bad get bad. Cause and effect. It's the world we were cast into
I read some basic Kaballah but am more inclined to view the Gnostic version of the creation story. Origin of the World tells of what was happening before In the beginning God..and this most likely tells of the FI's that CC had encountered.
It tells of the FIRST EARTH AGE - BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS WORLD were formed. This is the mystery found in the Kabbalah and what Jesus has taught to his disciples. The gnostic scriptures have certain disciples see or had visions of this time before time.
The Gospel of Truth by a guy named Valentinus is a very impressive book in the Nag Hammadi Scrolls. Speaks in these terms. Many years ago I had a vision that was described in this book and I've not seen a hint of it anywhere else. But, again, if the gnostics or I or anyone else had visions concerning these things, then they exist now. That is why I said sometimes it helps to look at the Creation story as levels of reality rather than a point in time. Both can be true.
The first earth age all in it were in spiritual bodies. In Job 38 ...4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare , if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the the measures there of, if thou knowest? or or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Mankind was sleeping through this just as Adam went into deep sleep in the garden just as Peter, James and John fell asleep in the Garden of Gethsemane as Jesus prayed for the unity of humanity.
I have learned that the Bible is not to be read in chronological order that God's time is not our time. I believe everything in bible is prophetic individually and collectively. I read the Word as in sinks deep into layers of in my subconscious mind and slowly comes to the surface and is seen as a reality.
If God put a sleep on Adam (Mankind) when He separated Eve (the Soul) from the spirit. It seems like the rest of the Scriptures are saying Wake Up! Which it never says happened to Adam in Genesis. It definitely speaks to us at a deeper level and the answers come later after an incubation period.
These are definitely individual experiences and us "waking up" to various stages or levels of reality. I believe even the book of Revelation is an individual experience.
Out of all the various schools of thought on that book, the one that makes the most sense and that lines up with what I believe, it is the vision of Margaret Macdonald. I think I have the name correct. She was a sixteen year old girl during 1800's in Scotland and had a vision. It is short, a few pages, but well worth reading and thinking about and meditating on.
here is a link
http://www.apostasynow.com/topics/trib/pretrib08.html
So are we sons of God? yes, at one point. I believe messengers or angels were sent out after the Fall. But I believe the message has always been to be" born from above" and not from the time when this world was under the influence of the FI's. John 3:16 says it all.
I agree, but I was specifally asking were we the "Sons of God" from Genesis 6. We are sons. There is also an order of angels by that same name in the Qabala etc. I meant that maybe the story of of the "Sons of God" beholding the daughters of men...etc. Could be a telling of our fall from a different perspective. Why we came into bodies in the first place. Just a thought I think on once in a while.