10-27-2008, 12:00 AM
Hawkeye Crow wrote:
"Semantics is the study of not just the meaning of words , but , among other things , the emotional and mental effect , especially in a social context ,
that words have. Just look at election campaigns and government propaganda. The word 'God' is loaded with all kinds of connotations which affect
people in various ways. Just something to consider."
So unload it! If the connotations are wrong them drop them. If you call yourself a seeker of Truth you should know that it is not held out on a silver
platter. It takes some effort.
"As a mortal , I cannot deny all that is beyond my abilities or understanding."
Understanding is one of the Spiritual Gifts.
" Also , I do not deny mystical or spiritual experience , that of prophecy, etc."
But you don't believe in the giver of such experiences?
"I have had a few of my own , while sober, by the way. But, the first thing that came to me , as to words, is that the term , 'supernatural' is
an oxymoron because everything is natural , if , or even if not, one believes in a creator. For instance , if I had landed among aboriginals , say 200 years
ago , in a Cadillac, surely I would have been seen as a god or supernatural."
If you would have landed in New York City in a Cadillac 200 years ago it would have been just as impressive.
" Heck , that was possible in some areas 50 years ago. There is no supernatural , only the UNKNOWN."
To equate God with the unknown is incorrect. Once the unknown is known it is part of your tonal.
"So , you can call it God or whatever, but no human knows for sure."
You base this assumtion on what?
"... solidifying beliefs is dangerous in the extreme to the continuation of human life."
So can be not solidifying them. What you just said has no meaning, yet you say it with such authority that I can see your belief is completely solidified.
Don Juan also said that it's not about a moral code , but , and I agree , knowing what and how things work and behaving within those limits.
Don Juan also said that awareness begins at conception. You write a lot about the insults to a bear cub carcass and not insulting animals etc. But you seem
to be fine with Obama's not signing a bill to require a doctor come to help a newborn baby after a botched abortion. You are correct in your claim that
you agree about no moral code.
"Remember that the definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same result : failure."
Again semantics.
That definition of insanity is ..doing the same thing over and over while EXPECTING DIFFERENT results. And taking responsibility for our own actions is a
basic tenet of Don Juan's philosophy. Abortion is anathema to that philosophy.
It sounds to me like your belief system is pretty solid. Keep up the good work.
But your stated beliefs make very little sense.
You believe in Spirit and yet you do not believe in God. The Bible says "God is Spirit."
You seem to be against any religion out there, and I can understand that. Religion has truly messed up people's ability to understand Truth in many
instances.
I see the harm religion can do yet I don't throw out the book. No matter what belief system you hold there is much Truth there.
Anyone can twist a philosophy to their own ends but a seeker of Truth must look past APPARENT discrepancies in order to find that Truth.
"Semantics is the study of not just the meaning of words , but , among other things , the emotional and mental effect , especially in a social context ,
that words have. Just look at election campaigns and government propaganda. The word 'God' is loaded with all kinds of connotations which affect
people in various ways. Just something to consider."
So unload it! If the connotations are wrong them drop them. If you call yourself a seeker of Truth you should know that it is not held out on a silver
platter. It takes some effort.
"As a mortal , I cannot deny all that is beyond my abilities or understanding."
Understanding is one of the Spiritual Gifts.
" Also , I do not deny mystical or spiritual experience , that of prophecy, etc."
But you don't believe in the giver of such experiences?
"I have had a few of my own , while sober, by the way. But, the first thing that came to me , as to words, is that the term , 'supernatural' is
an oxymoron because everything is natural , if , or even if not, one believes in a creator. For instance , if I had landed among aboriginals , say 200 years
ago , in a Cadillac, surely I would have been seen as a god or supernatural."
If you would have landed in New York City in a Cadillac 200 years ago it would have been just as impressive.
" Heck , that was possible in some areas 50 years ago. There is no supernatural , only the UNKNOWN."
To equate God with the unknown is incorrect. Once the unknown is known it is part of your tonal.
"So , you can call it God or whatever, but no human knows for sure."
You base this assumtion on what?
"... solidifying beliefs is dangerous in the extreme to the continuation of human life."
So can be not solidifying them. What you just said has no meaning, yet you say it with such authority that I can see your belief is completely solidified.
Don Juan also said that it's not about a moral code , but , and I agree , knowing what and how things work and behaving within those limits.
Don Juan also said that awareness begins at conception. You write a lot about the insults to a bear cub carcass and not insulting animals etc. But you seem
to be fine with Obama's not signing a bill to require a doctor come to help a newborn baby after a botched abortion. You are correct in your claim that
you agree about no moral code.
"Remember that the definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same result : failure."
Again semantics.
That definition of insanity is ..doing the same thing over and over while EXPECTING DIFFERENT results. And taking responsibility for our own actions is a
basic tenet of Don Juan's philosophy. Abortion is anathema to that philosophy.
It sounds to me like your belief system is pretty solid. Keep up the good work.
But your stated beliefs make very little sense.
You believe in Spirit and yet you do not believe in God. The Bible says "God is Spirit."
You seem to be against any religion out there, and I can understand that. Religion has truly messed up people's ability to understand Truth in many
instances.
I see the harm religion can do yet I don't throw out the book. No matter what belief system you hold there is much Truth there.
Anyone can twist a philosophy to their own ends but a seeker of Truth must look past APPARENT discrepancies in order to find that Truth.