09-13-2010, 12:00 AM
All is connected, reliant on inter-dependence so no form of 'separateness' can be established. It seems to me you view yourself as separate. As having obtained something. Whatever that is you perceive, or any of us perceive, its still folly. Any idea of separateness, is folly. All is one, so no one can be apart from all. Folly is to perceive otherwise. Controlled Folly is to know there is nothing "you" can do to get beyond folly. Which is getting beyond it after all, by getting beyond any idea of "you". But a you is still required in relative existence. So its folly, the control is the knowledge of this.
from emptiness and objects Lex wrote in lead post:
Although Don Juan was able to convince Carlos that the Eagle was merely an image and that in actuality there was no Eagle, Carlos was still left with the idea that there was an energetic reality that was the source of these mysterious emanations an entity even, because even when stripped of the image of an eagle this source still had attributes according to Don Juan.
Now Don Juan has introduced Carlos to an energetic universe and he has tied this in Carlos’ mind to the attainment of “seeing”. So we see the result of this type of introduction when Carlos says, “He paused as if to measure the effect of his words. I told him that I agreed with his premise, because everything could be reduced to being a field of energy.” This is unfortunate because the world of material objects has merely been exchanged for a world, a supposedly more real world, of energetic objects.
This leaves us with the notion that the first truth about awareness will remain obscure to us unless we too are able to see objects as they really are that is to say as energetic realities. This does little to help us understand the nature of reality and the world of objects any objects, material, mental, energetic or otherwise.
If you believe Don Juan burned from within and left this world for an alternate reality, another layer of the onion, I assure you he will still have to deal with existence. Simply manipulating perceptions or exchanging one set of perceptions for another, ie; matter for energy does not help know the nature of reality!
from emptiness and objects Lex wrote in lead post:
Although Don Juan was able to convince Carlos that the Eagle was merely an image and that in actuality there was no Eagle, Carlos was still left with the idea that there was an energetic reality that was the source of these mysterious emanations an entity even, because even when stripped of the image of an eagle this source still had attributes according to Don Juan.
Now Don Juan has introduced Carlos to an energetic universe and he has tied this in Carlos’ mind to the attainment of “seeing”. So we see the result of this type of introduction when Carlos says, “He paused as if to measure the effect of his words. I told him that I agreed with his premise, because everything could be reduced to being a field of energy.” This is unfortunate because the world of material objects has merely been exchanged for a world, a supposedly more real world, of energetic objects.
This leaves us with the notion that the first truth about awareness will remain obscure to us unless we too are able to see objects as they really are that is to say as energetic realities. This does little to help us understand the nature of reality and the world of objects any objects, material, mental, energetic or otherwise.
If you believe Don Juan burned from within and left this world for an alternate reality, another layer of the onion, I assure you he will still have to deal with existence. Simply manipulating perceptions or exchanging one set of perceptions for another, ie; matter for energy does not help know the nature of reality!