01-30-2018, 12:00 AM
Sorry for the delayed response... I was writing a reply but my browser crashed and it took me a while to get back to it.
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I wrote wrote:I found people striving for it and longing for it and trying to do something about it, but I have not actually been to places where maybe there is something like what I'd imagine - I wonder if anything like that even exists anywhere on this earth. I guess here the power is in the fact that I can imagine it - and this is something like a piece of luminosity that is inside me and can live - and in turn, I can live better (even though I am in a different society. I will explain in a bit about how comparing things can be the culprit of failing at stuff in this world hehe but here I'm gonna ask: Would most people not say that the situation, of not being in a society that is in sync when one is aware of it, would create pain and maybe even anger and all of who knows what other burdensome feelings? To know about something one does not have but longs for? Well, here it is where we come to bends - these burdensome feelings are due to bends, if one works on healing themselves then such bad feelings do not take over one's being anymore. There is still longing and maybe sometimes sadness but it is not that heavy burdensome painful sadness and there is hope and a few other nice things).
Pixie wrote:Watergaze, you asked if bends do not arise from the longing of something we don't have. I think they can for some and they might not for others. Like your story of the two sons from a drunken father, each turned out differently due to personality.
Yes, I agree with what you say.
I also wanted to make the point that this longing - which is quite natural - does not have to lead to anything negative (to 'bad' and painful emotions). That it does not when people do not have bends. If one works on their issues then these same longing can serve a great purpose and be helpful and even give us strength (even power). I expressed this thought also because in a different thread we touched on the topic of bends and how some of them might have served us well at certain times
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Pixie wrote:I would say that type of person may enjoy being lead, taught, and trusting in others, but with the right individuals or community. We each need a certain arrangement to be made comfortable and I wouldnt call this a Catch 22, I would call this waiting for what one wants and needs. Being wise enough to wait for what's beneficial and disregarding what is not.
Yes, totally. You hit the nail on the head there .
And when you write "waiting" I would say it is a process that people learn from.
I was talking more about how one is at the start of this process. How one expects the shaman/guru/teacher/helper to prove himself or herself to them. I am not saying it is wrong (it seems common sense)... but it might be tiring for the shaman to always face this kind of setting in others.
Anyway, if the person who wants to learn is hesitant and untrusting they cannot really learn all that smoothly/easily cause they are not open. A good helper know the dance they gotta do in this situation - in CC's books it is quite frankly called tricking. And since the last thing the person wants is to be tricked...well
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We do think we want things to be put before us in straight and honest, truthful ways and then we want to make up our own mind about stuff... I sure do.
So there is a bit of a Catch 22. (Until one evolves a bit and then there are other settings that one adopts...)
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Pixie wrote:I thought annihilation was the same as neutralizing a threat? They aren't different, are they? XP
Oh dear.
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Pixie wrote:Isn't it a little strange that both death and healing feel painful initially? I wonder how many people mistake one for the other.
This is a quote from a novel by Toni Morrison called Beloved: "anything dead coming back to life hurts."
Thankfully not all healing needs to hurt. I experienced different types.
I guess it is the movement close (within a certain distance / in a certain zone near) to death that hurts. So if we pass that zone, be it due to going back towards life (healing) or going towards death, then it hurts.
Yea, I wonder too... this is why it is good to know what is what... One needs to have a good sense of direction.
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I wrote wrote:I found people striving for it and longing for it and trying to do something about it, but I have not actually been to places where maybe there is something like what I'd imagine - I wonder if anything like that even exists anywhere on this earth. I guess here the power is in the fact that I can imagine it - and this is something like a piece of luminosity that is inside me and can live - and in turn, I can live better (even though I am in a different society. I will explain in a bit about how comparing things can be the culprit of failing at stuff in this world hehe but here I'm gonna ask: Would most people not say that the situation, of not being in a society that is in sync when one is aware of it, would create pain and maybe even anger and all of who knows what other burdensome feelings? To know about something one does not have but longs for? Well, here it is where we come to bends - these burdensome feelings are due to bends, if one works on healing themselves then such bad feelings do not take over one's being anymore. There is still longing and maybe sometimes sadness but it is not that heavy burdensome painful sadness and there is hope and a few other nice things).
Pixie wrote:Watergaze, you asked if bends do not arise from the longing of something we don't have. I think they can for some and they might not for others. Like your story of the two sons from a drunken father, each turned out differently due to personality.
Yes, I agree with what you say.
I also wanted to make the point that this longing - which is quite natural - does not have to lead to anything negative (to 'bad' and painful emotions). That it does not when people do not have bends. If one works on their issues then these same longing can serve a great purpose and be helpful and even give us strength (even power). I expressed this thought also because in a different thread we touched on the topic of bends and how some of them might have served us well at certain times
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Pixie wrote:I would say that type of person may enjoy being lead, taught, and trusting in others, but with the right individuals or community. We each need a certain arrangement to be made comfortable and I wouldnt call this a Catch 22, I would call this waiting for what one wants and needs. Being wise enough to wait for what's beneficial and disregarding what is not.
Yes, totally
. You hit the nail on the head there .And when you write "waiting" I would say it is a process that people learn from.
I was talking more about how one is at the start of this process. How one expects the shaman/guru/teacher/helper to prove himself or herself to them. I am not saying it is wrong (it seems common sense)... but it might be tiring for the shaman to always face this kind of setting in others
.Anyway, if the person who wants to learn is hesitant and untrusting they cannot really learn all that smoothly/easily cause they are not open. A good helper know the dance they gotta do in this situation - in CC's books it is quite frankly called tricking. And since the last thing the person wants is to be tricked...well
. We do think we want things to be put before us in straight and honest, truthful ways and then we want to make up our own mind about stuff... I sure do
.So there is a bit of a Catch 22
. (Until one evolves a bit and then there are other settings that one adopts...)----
Pixie wrote:I thought annihilation was the same as neutralizing a threat? They aren't different, are they? XP
Oh dear
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Pixie wrote:Isn't it a little strange that both death and healing feel painful initially? I wonder how many people mistake one for the other.
This is a quote from a novel by Toni Morrison called Beloved: "anything dead coming back to life hurts."
Thankfully not all healing needs to hurt. I experienced different types
.I guess it is the movement close (within a certain distance / in a certain zone near) to death that hurts. So if we pass that zone, be it due to going back towards life (healing) or going towards death, then it hurts.
Yea, I wonder too... this is why it is good to know what is what... One needs to have a good sense of direction
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