08-22-2017, 12:00 AM
Pixie Dust wrote:
Western education systems aren't developing decent human beings.
the system as such isnt but somehow thanks to decent humans we still get other decent humans. Also, this is a lot more far reaching than Western educational systems. Like how about say the arab countries or the african ones... in general not much better... if not worse. The only ones who have a certain upper hand are the indegenous and ancient cultures. I read somewhere that the native americans are more right brained than europeans... if this is indeed the case then they already have quite the upper hand as a starting point.
Pixie wrote: It's a one-size fits a few system.
yea, they figured what works for a few in a way that things that are valued in the society grows out of them... trouble is we rarely know what is actually good for us (individual or society wise).
Pixie wrote:Most children can't sit still in the way necessary for most schools. There's far more bullying in schools. The school district I worked in last year saw FIVE suicides. Our children are very sad and are opting out of life because they aren't receiving the sort of basic support from caregivers...likely because caregivers are very broken too.
yes, suicides is quite a thing over there. Luckily not yet where I am... I hope that never happens here.. also not such a society/tradition of bullying in schools... or separating into groups (like one sees in the US movies). I sure hope it still seems like an alternate reality to students who see those movies/series.
But let me tell you.. I grew up in a totalitarian system (for a part of my life). No one ever asked me what I think about anything (the teaching basically consisted of learning unrealitically large quantities of material by heart). My teachers could yell at me for no reason whenever they wanted - and some did. They did not have to be fair (and many were not). There was a lot of stress on a couple of fronts. School was not enjoyable in general. There were no arts - music, drawing, theatre...
But you can see that the system of education does not have to spoil a kid - so to speak. Of course it would have been wonderful to have an advantage in schooling, if not at least to not have a disadvantage... I feel I would really have enjoyed arts... or discussions about ideas and such... anyway... my point is that nothing is doomed just cause our education is kinda blind sided.
When I saw the Western educational system... I was amazed. The math is actually explained in a systematic way... there is art... there is analysis and interpretation. Teacher try to bring students to critical thinking. With this kind of education and these kinds of teachers though many of the kids are ungrateful and mean. Why is that?
The less overt problems one has the more space for lability to show - weird how that can be. But it makes sense. Our people, thanks to becoming more and more distanced from real survival problems, are able to evolve into a lot more sensitive beings. In africa the sensitiviy is to desease and violence, here it is to parents/classmates yelling at you or ignoring you. Go to school with the option of being killed, raped, mutilated or kidnapped for ransom and you will see how fast the fact that someone was mean in school will not register on the scale of things to worry about. We do not have a thick skin any more. Is this a good development? Well... in a certain sense it would be great. But then there is the problem that not all of the world is at this stage and if a kid withough thick skin meets issues of the thick skinned world then its even more horrible. But I am digressing...
Pixie wrote:The mental health system in America is failing people. We deem them broken when they are so far from being defined in the way the DSM thinks appropriate. The DSM focuses on what's wrong with a person and the solution is often prescriptions. It's not the correct way to heal people. How does making people feel broken and shunned (isolated) from society heal them? It doesn't. Shamans can heal. Spiritual communities could heal what's broken. I've met many who spent their childhoods being told they were different and broken.... and as adults, they decided to believe those lies. As doctors and/or healers, we shouldn't be telling people they're broken. The DSM should be revised entirely. Those diagnosed with PTSD are lacking a spiritual foundation (peer-reviewed scholarly studies have been published on this). It's incredible how inept we are at taking care of the spirit.
I do wish more people start to see these things and that those who are able to will act on them and change things.
Pixie wrote:Education and the mental health industry are my passion and the fields I wander in. What you're sharing about these things are valuable. These fields benefit from having you in them.
I wish that people with a wider scope would be allowed to bring new things into the system. It would be great if we could create an Emotional Inteligence subject for out children/students. In International Schools there is a 'Theory of Knowledge' subject. When I first encountered that I was like: how cool and wonderful. But then I learned what the kids do there and then I was a bit disappointed cause the subject has such a great name
.
As a teacher I can bring certain topics into class for discussion - through articles or literature that we read / watch /listen to. But all in all the scope of this is pretty limited. In general it is "too much to do, too little time" kinda thing. Plus so little actually good literature in the dimension that is accessible to students of a certain age.
The stuff that students read in classess.... I sometimes find horrendous. So much trauma in the books, so much horror. Things that do not make sense. Why do we do that to our childern? There is a lot that is broken in our society and storytelling is among those. Education and sotrytelling are linked. Storytelling and identity are linked. Education and bulding a healthy identity are linked. etc.
Western education systems aren't developing decent human beings.
the system as such isnt but somehow thanks to decent humans we still get other decent humans. Also, this is a lot more far reaching than Western educational systems. Like how about say the arab countries or the african ones... in general not much better... if not worse. The only ones who have a certain upper hand are the indegenous and ancient cultures. I read somewhere that the native americans are more right brained than europeans... if this is indeed the case then they already have quite the upper hand as a starting point.
Pixie wrote: It's a one-size fits a few system.
yea, they figured what works for a few in a way that things that are valued in the society grows out of them... trouble is we rarely know what is actually good for us (individual or society wise).
Pixie wrote:Most children can't sit still in the way necessary for most schools. There's far more bullying in schools. The school district I worked in last year saw FIVE suicides. Our children are very sad and are opting out of life because they aren't receiving the sort of basic support from caregivers...likely because caregivers are very broken too.
yes, suicides is quite a thing over there. Luckily not yet where I am... I hope that never happens here.. also not such a society/tradition of bullying in schools... or separating into groups (like one sees in the US movies). I sure hope it still seems like an alternate reality to students who see those movies/series.
But let me tell you.. I grew up in a totalitarian system (for a part of my life). No one ever asked me what I think about anything (the teaching basically consisted of learning unrealitically large quantities of material by heart). My teachers could yell at me for no reason whenever they wanted - and some did. They did not have to be fair (and many were not). There was a lot of stress on a couple of fronts. School was not enjoyable in general. There were no arts - music, drawing, theatre...
But you can see that the system of education does not have to spoil a kid - so to speak. Of course it would have been wonderful to have an advantage in schooling, if not at least to not have a disadvantage... I feel I would really have enjoyed arts... or discussions about ideas and such... anyway... my point is that nothing is doomed just cause our education is kinda blind sided.
When I saw the Western educational system... I was amazed. The math is actually explained in a systematic way... there is art... there is analysis and interpretation. Teacher try to bring students to critical thinking. With this kind of education and these kinds of teachers though many of the kids are ungrateful and mean. Why is that?
The less overt problems one has the more space for lability to show - weird how that can be. But it makes sense. Our people, thanks to becoming more and more distanced from real survival problems, are able to evolve into a lot more sensitive beings. In africa the sensitiviy is to desease and violence, here it is to parents/classmates yelling at you or ignoring you. Go to school with the option of being killed, raped, mutilated or kidnapped for ransom and you will see how fast the fact that someone was mean in school will not register on the scale of things to worry about. We do not have a thick skin any more. Is this a good development? Well... in a certain sense it would be great. But then there is the problem that not all of the world is at this stage and if a kid withough thick skin meets issues of the thick skinned world then its even more horrible. But I am digressing...
Pixie wrote:The mental health system in America is failing people. We deem them broken when they are so far from being defined in the way the DSM thinks appropriate. The DSM focuses on what's wrong with a person and the solution is often prescriptions. It's not the correct way to heal people. How does making people feel broken and shunned (isolated) from society heal them? It doesn't. Shamans can heal. Spiritual communities could heal what's broken. I've met many who spent their childhoods being told they were different and broken.... and as adults, they decided to believe those lies. As doctors and/or healers, we shouldn't be telling people they're broken. The DSM should be revised entirely. Those diagnosed with PTSD are lacking a spiritual foundation (peer-reviewed scholarly studies have been published on this). It's incredible how inept we are at taking care of the spirit.
I do wish more people start to see these things and that those who are able to will act on them and change things.
Pixie wrote:Education and the mental health industry are my passion and the fields I wander in. What you're sharing about these things are valuable. These fields benefit from having you in them.
I wish that people with a wider scope would be allowed to bring new things into the system. It would be great if we could create an Emotional Inteligence subject for out children/students. In International Schools there is a 'Theory of Knowledge' subject. When I first encountered that I was like: how cool and wonderful. But then I learned what the kids do there and then I was a bit disappointed cause the subject has such a great name
. As a teacher I can bring certain topics into class for discussion - through articles or literature that we read / watch /listen to. But all in all the scope of this is pretty limited. In general it is "too much to do, too little time" kinda thing. Plus so little actually good literature in the dimension that is accessible to students of a certain age.
The stuff that students read in classess.... I sometimes find horrendous. So much trauma in the books, so much horror. Things that do not make sense. Why do we do that to our childern? There is a lot that is broken in our society and storytelling is among those. Education and sotrytelling are linked. Storytelling and identity are linked. Education and bulding a healthy identity are linked. etc.