11-04-2017, 12:00 AM
Pixie wrote:Lol, Wolf would laugh at what you said. You claim to be a nobody, but holding various APs is the goal. Perfection is an illusion and people are limitless in their expression. Sometimes, how we judge how everyone else should behave reveals a lot about our own inward judgements we hold. For example, you mention people being borderline mentally ill for how they are mean to others, jealous, or insecure. I think it's mentally ill of people to believe that everyone shouldn't be these things. Technically, mental illness must have dysfunction component. Hypothetically, one could be mean, jealous, or insecure and still be functional (meaning far from having a mental illness). Everyone starts somewhere and expecting people to be ideal members of society is silly. It's normal for people to be imperfect in various ways. To expect others to arrange themselves to fit within my version of the world is naive. The world is what it is and the only thing I can control is my response. Hence, people don't have to fit my preference for how they should behave; but when they don't, then I'm allowed to engage them from my preference. (Which might appear crazy to some.)
We have a pretty different view
. I do not think the goal is the same as you do - based on how you talk. Being able to experience different APs is not the goal of it all. Many can be jealous, angry, mean... if this is all it takes then everyone has reached the goal already. But, being a nobody does help a lot in allowing different AP shifts. Having no image to defend is really nice.
It is not about judgment what I said but about energy and awareness, for a lack of better words. You talk of mental illness from the perspective of this society, I do not. Or rather I would but society does not have the same definition of dysfunction. If you are a XYZ and you go to work, keep clean, can feed and clothe yourself and obey the law and pay your taxes, you are functional. However, if you are a functional XYZ you are still an XYZ and you are ill. And I'm not just talking about mental illnesses here. Kinda like a pedophile is still a pedophile (if they have the urges or a pedophile - or do you say it all about acts?), an alcoholic still an alcoholic, etc. I do not subscribe to your view that acknowledging that a different type of health exists or can exist constitutes a mental illness. Makes no sense whatsoever. Unless hm maybe it does.. like psychologists and psychiatrists would be mentally ill for believing they can cure their patients? 
You speak in general so if you are addressing me it would be better to know you are.. since you are not I am assuming you are writing that for some thought process of yours that goes into a general direction and not a personal towards me... so that I can save myself time writing something like: "I don't expect people to fit my version of the world. I don't think a person like that could function in our society... "
I am therefore not going to respond to other similar things in your message like expecting people to be ideal members of society and such. For shamanic purposes it is not about this anyway. It should be clear we are trying to look towards a layer that is a bit underneath this psycho-societal stuff.
In the world of energy there is a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way and maybe there are more right ways and more wrong ways.. and one needs to be in the situation to experience it. The 'right' way being a way that respects or flows. If you go into that layer you will not find much that is bent. The things I mentioned above were examples of things I found to be bent. No talk about right and wrong in society and the psychobabble view of the world can change that for me. No amount of leftist 'we all got the right to say what we want and do what we want' and 'any response I have is valid' or 'I have the right to feel anything and express whatever I feel' can touch this layer of energy either. One cannot say or do whatever they want, nor can they respond in whatever way they want... that is if one is living form the deeper layers (or maybe one would say one would never want to respond in those bent ways if they were acting from that layer)... people can only do that when they are disconnected and then they create bends. I think any sensitive person feels when they hit a bend of other people or themselves even.
Maybe try to remember the first time this happened to you when you were a child. Soak the experience in how it felt when you bumped against the bend of another person. It will help you identify it in general. You can also look back at how that affected you and you energy body. We all change a little after this first encounter. Something in us whether we want to or not is affected by it.
You will understand it is not about judgment or about how people should be allowed to have different responses.
Ad Lonewolf, I read everything he wrote (or almost everything)... I sorted most of the stuff at this site and resorted it again. I am not making the same conclusions you are though. I dare say I don't dwell on peoples issues though so I might have forgotten the details that you used to make your conclusions. Plus you gotta know LW also liked to put on a show sometimes. Not all that he said was coming from a place of belief on his side of the screen... he would want to create a certain situation for people here because he considered it an important part of learning.
It is pretty clear to me LW is not here under an account that posts. Either way I do not think it matters much. You mention it as if it did
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Any good sorcerer would listen to the underlayer. Again, the part that is best to be attentive to in order to makes sure things are not bent. One does not even need to know why one is doing something as long as one does it in sync with the underlayer. I have had this happen a few times. I always prefer to know too ofc, but even if not, if one just acts in sync and instinctively, later on one will find it to have been a very good thing. (at least based on my personal experience)
I'm sorry I did not have time to respond more, and in the places I still wanted to. Hope to do so at a different time...
We have a pretty different view
. I do not think the goal is the same as you do - based on how you talk. Being able to experience different APs is not the goal of it all. Many can be jealous, angry, mean... if this is all it takes then everyone has reached the goal already. But, being a nobody does help a lot in allowing different AP shifts. Having no image to defend is really nice. It is not about judgment what I said but about energy and awareness, for a lack of better words. You talk of mental illness from the perspective of this society, I do not. Or rather I would but society does not have the same definition of dysfunction. If you are a XYZ and you go to work, keep clean, can feed and clothe yourself and obey the law and pay your taxes, you are functional. However, if you are a functional XYZ you are still an XYZ and you are ill. And I'm not just talking about mental illnesses here. Kinda like a pedophile is still a pedophile (if they have the urges or a pedophile - or do you say it all about acts?), an alcoholic still an alcoholic, etc. I do not subscribe to your view that acknowledging that a different type of health exists or can exist constitutes a mental illness
. Makes no sense whatsoever. Unless hm maybe it does.. like psychologists and psychiatrists would be mentally ill for believing they can cure their patients? You speak in general so if you are addressing me it would be better to know you are.. since you are not I am assuming you are writing that for some thought process of yours that goes into a general direction and not a personal towards me... so that I can save myself time writing something like: "I don't expect people to fit my version of the world. I don't think a person like that could function in our society... "
I am therefore not going to respond to other similar things in your message like expecting people to be ideal members of society and such. For shamanic purposes it is not about this anyway. It should be clear we are trying to look towards a layer that is a bit underneath this psycho-societal stuff.
In the world of energy there is a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way and maybe there are more right ways and more wrong ways.. and one needs to be in the situation to experience it. The 'right' way being a way that respects or flows. If you go into that layer you will not find much that is bent. The things I mentioned above were examples of things I found to be bent. No talk about right and wrong in society and the psychobabble view of the world can change that for me. No amount of leftist 'we all got the right to say what we want and do what we want' and 'any response I have is valid' or 'I have the right to feel anything and express whatever I feel' can touch this layer of energy either. One cannot say or do whatever they want, nor can they respond in whatever way they want... that is if one is living form the deeper layers (or maybe one would say one would never want to respond in those bent ways if they were acting from that layer)... people can only do that when they are disconnected and then they create bends. I think any sensitive person feels when they hit a bend of other people or themselves even.
Maybe try to remember the first time this happened to you when you were a child. Soak the experience in how it felt when you bumped against the bend of another person. It will help you identify it in general. You can also look back at how that affected you and you energy body. We all change a little after this first encounter. Something in us whether we want to or not is affected by it.
You will understand it is not about judgment or about how people should be allowed to have different responses.
Ad Lonewolf, I read everything he wrote (or almost everything)... I sorted most of the stuff at this site and resorted it again. I am not making the same conclusions you are though
. I dare say I don't dwell on peoples issues though so I might have forgotten the details that you used to make your conclusions. Plus you gotta know LW also liked to put on a show sometimes. Not all that he said was coming from a place of belief on his side of the screen... he would want to create a certain situation for people here because he considered it an important part of learning. It is pretty clear to me LW is not here under an account that posts. Either way I do not think it matters much. You mention it as if it did
.Any good sorcerer would listen to the underlayer. Again, the part that is best to be attentive to in order to makes sure things are not bent. One does not even need to know why one is doing something as long as one does it in sync with the underlayer. I have had this happen a few times. I always prefer to know too ofc, but even if not, if one just acts in sync and instinctively, later on one will find it to have been a very good thing. (at least based on my personal experience)
I'm sorry I did not have time to respond more, and in the places I still wanted to. Hope to do so at a different time...