the pathology of psychosciences

[Pixie Dust]

watergaze wrote:
hehe . thnx for the humor. And, sry, did not mean to offend you. In retrospect, the masturbating comment was maybe a bit too much, though it did get my message across.

Your masturbating comment hit the nail on the head and gave quite a comical opening.  That was enjoyable and the first time I could write something I found to be hilarious.  I appreciate that opening.

People heal. period. Alone, in groups, with others who are there to help them, etc.
I did not mean that you are masturbating in front of JJ and Sen, but the way you were talking about not allowing others to see you had a weird wtf taste as if you were talking about something, well, like masturbating. Hence the masturbating analogy, to help you understand how it came across. From your response I gather you understood it very well, so the analogy served its purpose in that sense. But then it offended you and we got to where we are now. Oh well...

I may have a different pespective of sex than you, hence why I'm not offended at the comparison of healing with masturbation.  That's rather relevant.  What was offensive was your ignorance to understand anothers perspective and no amount of talking or mental masturbation makes one empathic.  That's something done with the heart and the line of questioning was mental masturbation.  I'm tired of mental masturbators--I've had too much of those types of exchanges that I've filled my quota for that type of masturbation.  What does that say about me though?  That I've filled that quota, that I learned those lessons, that I'm tired of those lessons, why did I require those lessons?  I think I needed to understand that where I wanted to go was not along that path--that there is more to understanding than the mind.  That was a meaningful lesson you helped to teach me and I appreciate acquring the skills to move me beyond a single mode of knowledge.  In retrospect, my healing was quite open.  I try to masturbate with everyone one I meet and while some aren't open to these exchanges, I move on to the next person.  Sometimes I attempt group masturbation events and while those are satisfying, they can lead to other issues like STDs if it moves beyond simple masturbation.  Once group-think begins to settle in, it's time to sever ties to avoid being jizzed on.  Sex being an analogy for spirituality, of course.

Ask yourself why you felt the need to put before my eyes that you could not 'masturbate' (i.e. heal) in front of me. I mean really what is the purpose of saying that? Why do you need to tell me this? Given also that I am aware we do not have this kind of relationship (nor is it something you could decide on on your own) - This is what I mean - saying it with that analogy shows you better what my issue with you saying that was. What do you feel I am supposed to do with that info? .

Why tell you something that upsets you and makes you talk more?  Oh, I don't know.  Probably because I wanted a response.  I needed your attention for a moment (again, I know, I do this often with you).  Your response here was a good one.  It was fast, insightful, you prompted me to use a higher level of introspection on my motives.  Those are all good points.  I responded in the above paragraph as to my own healing.  I think I'm just using you at the moment, to pleasure myself.  Thanks for allowing yourself to be present for the experience.

You are not around for my healing process either. It should not be a surprise this is not where we are at you and me. So it is strange that you would feel like commenting on this.

You need many things explained and you often say things and people are strange.  Why you feel the need to tell me I'm strange or how I communicate is strange almost baffles me.  Yes, I know you lack understanding for some of the things I do or say.  I find you peculiar at times.  There, the basis of our understanding of one another.  If you're truly as confused as you often claim to have been, I suggest you study sociology or psychology to better understand the motivation of others.  There are fields of science available for you as resources.  I don't know how much time Sen has to explain, at length, the birds and the bees.  Nature.  How the world turns.  

It is like you are trying to poke me and get me to think I have somehow failed you. Or that I am insufficient, not up to your standards of a healing companion . I don't know why you do that, but it sure is strange. From my side of thinds we are not at this spot, you and me, not because you felt me insufficient, though that might be a part of it ofc.

Yes, this is what I had done and you overly responded.  I'm also overly responding to you now.  It's sort of a cycle.  I did find you not up to my personal standards of a companion; but honestly, that means nothing.  It doesn't mean you fail as a person.  It just means we're not compatible.  I probably mentioned it for a few reasons, one of which is mental masturbation over the fact that I wish you had been a compatible companion.  I don't find many compatible.  I miss spiritual intimacy.  That was more a reflection on my end.  A remorse for unmet potential.  The acknowledgement that it was over and had no future.  An emotional sadness, while an emotional longing.  I think about things like that--what happened, how to adjust for the next person, whether or not I want there to be a next person.  Loving people is hard when they're behaving like brats (as I'm sure you're aware).  Some consider me a brat, and from their perspectives, I agree with them.  This whole social aspect of living is quite complex and I'm moreso reflecting on a failed opportunity and the emotions it has left me with.  Some sadness, anger (mostly at myself for failure to recognize an incompatibility), appreciation for the knowledge learned, acknowledgment for the growth that occurred, reflection of how to do things better next time.... those sorts of things.  

What is even more interesting is that you do not account for the fact that I see you going through this process . When you are around. And then there is the thing that even if I am not there in the room that you 'masturbate' in, I can still see you when you come out . So, the matter of what I see or not is a bit more complicated than whether you actually make the conscious choice of accepting me as someone you can have around in this private room of yours .

I realize you're watching.  Believe me, you're not the first to observe my masturbation sessions   I'm quite open with many aspects, but I'm also not open in other ways.  Yes, you mainly get to see me come out of rooms when I'm done masturbating and it's rather interesting you enjoy being that sort of observer.  I also enjoy observing others.  We are similar in that sense.  
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Pixie wrote:If someone is suicidal, they are bent.  It does not help to mention to that individual they are bent.  It is clear to many a bent is present.  Everyone is bent somewhere and telling them to straighten out does them even less benefit than an unethical psychiatrist/psychologist. 
I surely do not have patients whom I tell this as a diagnosis. It does not matter how many other people see there is something bent, as long as the person themselves keeps being oblivious or is lying to themselves about stuff. Anyway, in order to have such a conversation with a person, few things need to be in place. And then, believe it or not, if you get to the bent, the specific part not just in general, it is helpful to know about it. This is what self-stalking is all about. It is very beautiful and satisfying to see people, whose awareness has reached to these areas, gradually change towards more stability. It is one of the most satisfying areas in my life that people around me (that I found receptive and wanting of change) have been able to tackle these parts of themselves with a nudge or with a bit of my input and help - if they asked for it. Not to mention how grateful I am that it could help me when I was in most need (I'd be a very different person otherwise). It is the nicest feeling in the world to see someone heal and grow before your eyes (no matter if you helped a bit or not). In that sense talking to me about how that does not work is futile . It is not so much about it not working as about the person whom it does not work for. People are different and can benefit from different approaches. This one, however, clearly works. But maybe its not for you and yours.

I agree.  People are different and benefit from different approaches.  Your method does work, but it won't be beneficial for everyone.  There are perfectly "good" people in the world.  Yet, they are not compatible with everyone and respecting those people, even when they are vastly different, is important.  Otherwise we wind up suicidal over people on the internet and that's extremely unfortunate.  That should never occur.  Yet, it does.  When someone is bent, they must learn to bend and not break.  Breaking hurts.  A lot.  It's also very painful to observe another experience overextension and nearing breakage.  Then again, people who engage in a spiritual awakening often endure suffering.  So, I don't know if it helps any, but suffering does make people stronger.  I agree, it should be their choice on what people experience.  Then again, what if it's the spiritual identify of a person making those decisions for the tonal self..... it can become complicated quickly when determining whether it's others bringing us an experience or whether it's ourselves bringing us experiences.
Pixie wrote:I admire Sen for his ability to listen to you attempt to understand people and events.  He's so patient with you in ways I never could be.  Maybe Sen would like to explain what I said to you; I trust him to explain me accurately enough based on what I say.
You have said similar a couple of times now and I have found it weird every time .

You find many things weird

You however, are then left to run with whatever it is you (mis)understood and are able to push Sen to a spot where he has no place being (but he lets you).

True.  All of what you said regarding Sen.

Do I need to defend my trustworthiness? Not really... Even though I have a very trustworthy view of myself, I tell it to shut up haha.

You are mostly trustworthy, yes.

Ofc I also like talking to you. There is no one color - black or white - here for me. I also can find it worthwhile to talk to you and others and even when there are differences I am not one to despair by default , because in certain type of differences there is learning potential. And that is what this place is about . Nevertheless, since you decided you don't wanna interact anymore... it is what it is . No need to respond to my message here, actually, it would be better if you did not. Otherwise you are just inviting another reply. Enjoy interacting with those people you find worthwhile . Over and out .

Too late, I already responded :/