Answers come before the question

[nameless]

It's been a few years since I first found this place, though before I never engaged in conversation.  Mixing ideas with unknown sorcerers, at the time, seemed potentially more dangerous than helpful to me.  But as I said, that was years ago.  Those years have passed quickly, and if they are any measure for gauging the future, something within me has to change.  So here I am, hoping to learn.  Starting over from the beginning is never easy, but the path is what it is.  I'm looking forward to learning whatever I can from all of you, and I'm hoping what I might know isn't so far gone that I can't summon it to potentially aid any of you.  The great hesitation is that I've learned too much over the years, and I know that most of it is a lot of invalid junk.  Time to clean out the closet, and get the headspace back to a reasonable state of clarity.  Anywho, a pleasure to meet you all.

[Billy]

nameless, I am Billy.  Again (laughing here)---> I am Billy.

   On the 'etheric' plane, 'answers come before the question,' is a positive truism for  acquiescent being.  This answer is obvious to one who can overcome the perceived vulnerability that accompanies raw awareness.  There is no enigma there, and societal conditioning craps out.  One is nothing of meaning!!
   For example, a question- "Who (what) am I?" has no potency or relevance.  At the most basic level, the existential answer of awareness precedes it.  It just does.
 
    At the plane of what others call the tonal (I call it reality), 'answers come before the question' is an active descriptor of one who lives decisionally beyond the pall of meaninglessness.

    Urrumazz, you made a good observation that a person can replace his malleable inner voice with an 'empathycal' voice.  TRUE.  However, I wonder if you were not confused when implying that one's voices are antithetical to perfection. serloco nailed it just so by reducing your 'secret weapon' for freedom/perfection to  'voice of choice.'

     Decisionality is the ONLY pathway towards facing, then conquering existential pain by turning it upside down. I do so with the underpinning of meaninglessness.  I shake my head, I laugh, I am free.  

     And, ...................... WHY???

    I CHOOSE so.  

    To be decisional (REALLY) is to decide with the most basic level (my existential awareness) brought to bear..  that is, the 'threat' of death and ill-fate are brought into PLAY.

SEE THAT!----> I said PLAY.   I put a collar on my life, I command it.  

     This attitude evolved.  When I was 23, I was clueless, reactive, consumed.  Someone aware [Joe], pounded into my head the concept of decisionality.  Joe was expansive, he taught me how to face the deep existential fire.  He taught me to know that choice was what would free me.  He told me of the pain I would have on the journey.  
    Yet, he demonstrated by his life that the tonal and spirituality were never divergent qualities.  I am advising anyone here, to manifestly ground yourself in the tonal structure to become whole.
     
    The ingredient needed to choose against running away from responsibility, and facing the truth of your conditional self (as implied in all what preceded) is detachment.  I authored threads in New Seers that discusses such.




I WANT you to use the logical and reasonable side of your brain.  Yet, to surmise an untold future as the main idea for behavior is misguided and confining.  What does not make sense now, will begin to makes sense with separation and objectivity.  I am so @*@%%$@ happy, because we're past the point of no return.  I mean, the streaming energy is positively constant [que sera sera].  You have business saying no (I am laughing very hard).  

   I am VERY versatile.  That's okay if you think I'm crazy.  I know I was hard on your body and spirit.  Trust me, it was purposeful transition.  Please, tell me not to show up here on the forum for x number of weeks, months, ?...   I will listen to you.  You know that.  Yes, I am humanishly weak, and cannot choose a @*@%%$@ thing (without you).  With enough separation, I might come back docile and submisive (hysterically laughing/true).

[serloco]

Hey nameless, they say to have no name i to have no means to control you and in you down. To be nameless is to be unknown and elusive.

Anyways, nice to meet you.

[nameless]

Billy,
Thank you for taking the time for the lengthy explanation, though I must say I don't quite follow you. Not that I don't understand what it is you are saying, I simply don't understand the relevance of it. I don't really mind the way your mind seems to bounce back and forth, it's the point of origin that I'm looking at. What drove you to that explanation, and what guided you to what appears to be presumptions about my intent behind the title, and who I am as a person?

I like simple words and simple explanations. I don't like big, long, drawn out explanations where simple ones could just as easily do the trick. As Charles Bukowski said, "An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way." Obviously, with explanations of sorcery and all it involves, simple answers are not always possible. I personally find it best to exist somewhere in the middle. We keep the artist alive because he is our last connection to the abstract, but the intellectual is he who helps us survive in the world of men.

I chose the title for no particular reason, but for me the statement serves a few different purposes. It is a simple reminder that we already know the answers to the questions that our minds ask. Once upon a time, a man asked me what I though meditation was. I told him, "Well, your mind spends all day asking a billion different questions about a billion different things. Meditation is when you shut up long enough to hear the answers." Thinking is of very little use, as we live in what I like to call a "self-evident universe." Silent knowledge provides us directly with answers before we even have a chance to ask a question. Another purpose of the statement is to remind myself of the true nature of time, that all events are taking place simultaneously within the dream. What happens tomorrow was already seen yesteryear. Hope this helps you better understand where I am coming from.

serloco,
I chose the name for a few different reasons. Primarily because who I am is not important. I will never meet any of you, and my personal opinions and feelings will not be involved in any discussion I may have here. What is important is the knowledge and wisdom we might be able to share with one another. Note that this is not to say that I wish to strictly remain impersonal and distant, I'm just not interested in investing emotion into discussion. Having a name identifies self, and being aware of self is the very thing I'm fighting against (metaphorically). Secondly, the internet is a place of anonymity by its very nature. I could tell you that I am whoever I wish you to believe I was. There's no way for you to verify any of this without meeting me personally, but I'm afraid I'm really not interested in meeting with other sorcerers in the outside world. At least, not yet. Being "nameless" is simply my way of trying to be "casually upfront" about who I am...? Hahah, I'm sure you get it.

Anyways, a pleasure to "meet" you both. Looking forward to whatever lays ahead.

[Billy]

nameless wrote:
Myself, am enthralled with my emotions and self awareness..  Good luck with fighting yourself.  Let me help you.

I was using your thread to surreptitiously address someone else.  Was that self-evident in your (metaphorical) universe?

[Billy]

Hope this helps you better understand where I am coming from.

[nameless]

I'll be blunt and just say that I'm really not interested in receiving anything from you. The erratic nature of your statements thus far are riddled with hidden intention, and your apparent eagerness to presume who or what I am doesn't exactly endear me. I don't want to assume anything, but right now you bring to mind that old quote about the fool who has to say something. I suggest we start over. I don't know you, and you don't know me. Why don't we establish a bit more of an understanding there, and see where it leads.

[serloco]

Don't worry Billy I still love your twisted, demented self.

[Julio Juliopolis]

Hello, thanks for coming to sit by our fire. Please, share you tales, join in with our adventures, or just enjoy the show.

[watergaze]

Hello nameless, welcome to sorcery. Feel free to explore the site and bear in mind that people who are interested in these subjects are somewhat peculiar . Some people treat this site as a social or behavioral experiment or try out different characters for themselves.

It might take some time to find or connect with people other than the most frequent posters. But we are here .

[nameless]

Julio,

Thanks for the warm welcome. Looking forward to sharing many stories and insights indeed.

watergaze,
Thanks for the welcome. I'm no stranger to peculiarity, I'd almost say I've had more than my fair share in life. I very much understand social and behavioral experiments, but was unaware that was a common practice here. I suppose I could've guessed. I really am quite a friendly person, and very much believe in the idea of community. I'm looking forward to making new acquaintances, and maybe a few friends.

[serloco]

Hello again nameless. Every thing in this universe is interconnected, everything is touching everythign else. Your every action is made of energy, intent that is a force that can be seen and understood. Thus your every actions can be witnesses and your every secret seen. Everything is awareness and awareness sees. Thus you may think there is no way to verify who you are and claim to be, but to me even your words are intent that can be seen. They are who you are.

[nameless]

Hello again serloco. You are correct, intent is the binding force that builds the universe. Intent is aware, and will only ever speak truth. Your inner wisdom will guide your perception in deciphering who I am in these scripted texts, and much can be determined about my nature from them. But they are not direct exposure to my life force. How you feel about what I say will tell you much, but it will not give you my name. I don't choose to remain "anonymous" for surreptitious reasons, I'm just no longer interested in defining my identity. Thoughts, opinions, and beliefs too quickly become shields and barriers. There's a lot to be said about identity, probably a good starting point for an interesting conversation.

[serloco]

How I feel about what you say will only tell me about myself. However seeing your feelings, through the action of your written word is rather simple. Your life force is flowing through your every action to be seen, the core of your awareness staring right into the world you define.

[nameless]

We all leave footprints. But a footprint is not a boot. This is the footprint, I am the boot. You might see what kind of boot I am wearing, or estimate how tall I am or how much I weigh, detect any irregularities in my gait, see the directions I am traveling to and from, whether I am walking or running...but none of these things will show you my face. That footprint will not tell you my name, or the color of my hair, or what kind of smile might be on my face. This is what I mean.

[serloco]

Awareness can be enhanced, expanded to suck levels that the senses can perceive anything. If I were you I would be mindful of the limitations that you place on awareness. "Can't" is not something in my infinite vocabulary.

[nameless]

Nameless is as nameless does. I wonder, will you live forever? Will men bow before your godlike status? Would a bullet to the head kill you?

We all have limits, best to make sure we understand what they are.

[rosygyro]

Nameless.
I won't say welcome as i am neither in nor own this "place".
Theres so much unknown here, it is starting to catch its own timeline.
If you are indeed a "new energetic" to this place, it may be wise to keep stepped back and see who is trapped by days of new disgrace.

[nameless]

rosygyro,
Certainly starting to not feel welcome. I'm not sure what a "new energetic" is, nor am I sure what being "trapped by days of new disgrace" means, but I did scroll around a bit before announcing myself. I saw some topics that seemed to be of great interest to me, and I have some interesting topics I'd like to discuss. I brought my words to the table because I am interested in learning, not because I'm interested in measuring egos. I do have a weakness for not being able to keep my mouth shut at times, but right now I'm merely fishing around for the true nature of people's intent. I also have a weakness for being blunt, but never with the intention of being rude. I'm not insensitive, but I certainly don't see the point in tiptoeing around the feelings of sorcerers when I don't even do that in my daily life.

Tell me, what do you see in me? Tell me, what offense have I given? Tell me, what would you like to see in me? No, I don't intend change who I am. But I do wish to understand what is actually happening here.

[serloco]

nameless wrote:Nameless is as nameless does. I wonder, will you live forever? Will men bow before your godlike status? Would a bullet to the head kill you?

We all have limits, best to make sure we understand what they are.
I have had worship to the point of people seeing my power and bowing to me. It has happened on several occasions. Indeed many have thought me to be God as well. I have had a bullet to the head before and felt every sensation of what it is like to have your brains blown out of your head. I awake in an alternate parallel plain just lie I had intended for my death. I then crossed back over into the original realm. My body was a 2dimensional projection of perception and memory. I had to re intend my body back to its original physical mass. I went to sleep and the next morning awoke back in my original state befoe I was shot from behind. It was an interesting position I was in for even the music wass singing about death. Death is something some sorcerer learn to master. Indeed I knew what my death was for me. I have died many times and control what happens when I do. Controlling your intent is to control evey aspect of your awareness and the controled folly you use with your tonal world. If everything is intent then why do you not intend more? You can intend anything! Do you not contol the intent of your death? What is death? WHat would happen if you got shot in the head? Is that your decision to make in yoru awareness? Or do you give away the power and control to someone else? What they told you was real.

[nameless]

serloco,
Interesting points you raise. It reminds me of a line from the Hagakure:

"Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day when one’s body and mind are at peace, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by arrows, rifles, spears and swords, being carried away by surging waves, being thrown into the midst of a great fire, being struck by lightning, being shaken to death by a great earthquake, falling from thousand-foot cliffs, dying of disease or committing seppuku at the death of one’s master. And every day without fail one should consider himself as dead."

To give you a small peek into my world, I am a veteran with two deployments to Afghanistan. I've been reading the Hagakure almost as a religious text for over 15 years, and the concept of facing death and keeping him as a companion is not lost on me. There is another line that will lead to my next point...

"It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this."

I have no desire to use intent to bring more into my life, I find it already full. There are still wants and "needs" here and there, but I pay them no mind. When death comes, and the dream is over, all that will matter to me is how well I lived my life. Money and power won't bring that level of satisfaction, only living within my own sense of impeccability has a chance of letting me pass with a happy heart.

Power can be a confusing subject. Power, to me, isn't the simple parlor tricks that so many of us take pride in. Power isn't dominion over our fellow men. Power is wisdom, dominion over ourselves. Predicting the future or crushing the bones of my enemy does not make me strong. Being able to choose to withdraw from my emotions and make a clear choice makes me strong. I no longer have interest in grand displays of power over others, or impressing people with my feats. That road is a dead end.

You only submit your power to another when you buy into their version of the dream. When their ideas become yours, when your truth becomes a forgotten shadow, that is when you become lost. Making a man a slave with chains and bars does not mean you have defeated him, does not mean you have stolen his power. Only by stealing his heart and his mind can you do that. I personally have no desire to live that sort of life, on either end of the chain.

[serloco]

Only by stealing his choice, will you defeat him. And there is no way to choose for another.

Choice should be the most power force in your inventory.

Power is everything and anything can make you strong.

I remember the human form. It had so many curses and ways to die within its inventory. So weak and frail was the human condition. Using any "parlor tricks" I found my own way around all that garbage. Intent can be formed into any outcome. Infinity has no limits. I remember when I was attacked by an evil inorganic life form, many of them, and they cursed my heart to stop. I saw it coming and immediately went to a hospital because I knew they would win. I quickly thought of the best intent for my body and said to myself "I can live with no heartbeat at all and my mind can project the healthy form of my body. They hooked me to the machine and my heart died. Flatline. A deep breath later i could live with no heart beat. I stopped and started my heart several times with sheer will.

The knowledge of death is formulated from the start of your life. Every time I think of a way to die I counteract the possibility with what I would actually intend to have happen instead. Sure enough over the years began to see my intent manifest. Whenever I died it was exactly as I had said would happen.You begin to see the power to suspend the intent to die all together. Why must death be inevitable? Surely the intent to retain your awareness is all that is needed. You either intend to live or intend to die. I choose live.

[nameless]

I have walked with many shaman before. I have seen true power displayed by others. I have seen the face of he who would be god. I have nearly lost my mind to things I could not understand. I have felt power, and I know its name.

I do not like offending people. Not because I am sensitive to their emotions, but because it closes a door. Most "new agers" come across as the sad leftovers of the hippie generation, thinking the world will turn on hopes and dreams alone. So quickly they forget the predatory nature of our universe. Life consumes life to beget life. That is the natural order of things. I do share in their ideas that if mankind possessed the wisdom, we could easily create Utopia. But I don't expect to see it anytime soon.

My point is, I believe you are insane. Now, I want to be very careful about how I state this. Please hear me out. I've seen many of your posts in different sections of this forum. I have not ready anywhere near a majority, but I've read enough to find a common denominator. It seems you are obsessed with your own idea of power. It seems you love nothing more than to talk about your power. It seems you vehemently insist on convincing others of your power. You tell many grand stories about your power. I am not calling you a liar, but I notice the trend.

Is it rude of me to state this? Maybe. But I'm of the mind that it is better to speak my truth and be shunned than to say nothing at all. I love the old saying that all evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing. This is me attempting to do something. Am I right? I couldn't say. I'm only stating my observations. I don't know you. But I do know power, and I have met many great men that have shown me what the other side looks like. I do not know what you have seen, but I know that what you claim makes absolutely no sense to me.

I beg you to reconsider your definition of power. You speak of stealing another man's choice. Elaborate if I'm wrong on what follows; what good comes of that? When we think of the ultimate goal, which is freedom and transcendence, where does that choice fit in? Yes, anything can make you strong. But everything that is strong is not necessarily true strength. I'll point to the story Don Juan tells Carlos about the weightlifter with a weak lower back. True strength isn't dominion over other men, it's dominion over yourself.

You speak of the human form as though you have already lost it. I know men that have accomplished this feat, and in no way do you resemble them. I would say that it is you who are weak and frail. It seems to me that all you have left in your life is this idea of your own power that you've built over the years. You've probably sacrificed a great deal to be where you are. You've probably made a lot of choices you didn't want to for the sake of arriving at where you are. Now all you have left is that idea, so you have no choice but to sustain it with everything you have. You are committed to this now, whether you are right or wrong.

Truth be told, I actually like you. But I do not agree with you. I don't think your priorities are in order. I don't think your focus is in the right place. I want to suggest reading up on Buddhist philosophies of control, because that seems to be a common theme with you. The ultimate point is, we are never truly in control. Only when we realize this are we free to actually choose.

I'll end this by confessing that I am not as wise as I may appear to be professing. I am a man humbled by his own mistakes, aware of his own weaknesses, and still troubled by his failures. I am not perfect, nor do I profess to be. I am simply sharing with you what I have seen in you, and how it relates to what this troubled world has taught me. I sincerely hope the best for you, and I wish great happiness upon you. You have the strength to succeed in whatever endeavor you set out upon, but I think you need to find the right direction. Good luck to you, and good journey.

[serloco]

The only thing I will say to any of that is that I never said you can steal another man's choice. I said you cant.

Since you obviously are unable to carry a civilized conversation without throwing a tantrum of self-importance I will depart from conversing with you. You are too full of negative judgments and delusions. Seeing is far better then assuming.

[nameless]

I don't know how to do those cool little quote bubbles, but to copy and paste: "Only by stealing his choice, will you defeat him. And there is no way to choose for another."

Maybe I misunderstood you. If so, I apologize. Still, it doesn't matter. My next statement was to withdraw myself. Good luck to you.