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[someguy]

Hi Hawkeye crow,


I understand how you feel and it is tough to believe in a god, I personally do not believe in a god (so to speak) myself these days, I do however believe there
is a source of creation, we all (as in the universe) had to come from someone or something, in my ET research, the pleiadians say that the creation source is a
place where souls all cluster together to reform one large soul, I like that better than what most main stream religions try to preach, and when it comes to
the word "religion", it is a man made word that came to be sometime after jesus, I think hundreds of years after jesus, so to me religion is a scam
to keep people separated, controlled and in fear or at least they have been hijacked for that purpose.




I like to think shamanism is more like a life style choice and the texts one finds in regard to them is simply offering guidance or simply introducing ideas to
stimulate the mind. I have found myself removing the idea of god or demagogues for that matter and moving towards finding the next steps to taking control of
my soul since this human body sort of doubles as a gateway to only one limited reality when I feel there must be much more than that.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Welcome to the forums Someguy. Glad you finally found us!

[someguy]

Thanks Lonewolf, Glad to be here!

[Hawkeye Crow]

I'm reading Larry McMurtry, and he describes a man just like that avatar, except his hair is white. Old wolf goes with him everywhere. Crazy white man.
Even the Comanches don't bother him. Might be a witch, they say.






I am he as you are me and we are all together...RIP John Lennon, 29 years ago

[Hawkeye Crow]

This is so cool. Hope y'all don't mind having it here, couldn't find where else.




Say, Lonewolf, this is a lot like your graphic at the top of this page. Hmmm




Anyone for some Arctic roll? Mystery as spiral blue light display hovers above Norway


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Last updated at 3:15 PM on 10th December 2009


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What's blue and white, squiggly and suddenly appears in the sky?


If you know the answer, pop it on a postcard and send it to the people of Norway, where this mysterious light display baffled residents yesterday.


Speculation was increasing today that the display was the result of an embarrassing failed test launch of a jinxed new Russian missile.


The Bulava missile was test-fired from the Dmitry Donskoi submarine in the White Sea early on Wednesday but failed at the third stage, say newspapers in Moscow
today.




Strange spiral: Residents in northern Norway were left stunned after the lightshow, which almost looked computer-generated, appeared in the skies above them




Curious: A blue-green beam of light was reported to have come shooting out the centre of the spiral


This emerged despite earlier reports denying a missile launch yesterday. Even early today there was no formal confirmation from the Russian Defence Ministry.


The light appears to be unconnected with the aurora borealis, or northern lights, the natural magnetic phenomena that can often be viewed in that part of the
world.


The mystery began when a blue light seemed to soar up from behind a mountain in the north of the country. It stopped mid-air, then began to move in circles.
Within seconds a giant spiral had covered the entire sky.


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Mystery solved? Norway's spiral light display 'was down to a failed Russian Bulava missile test'



Then a green-blue beam of light shot out from its centre - lasting for ten to 12 minutes before disappearing completely.


Onlookers describing it as 'like a big fireball that went around, with a great light around it' and 'a shooting star that spun around and
around'.


Yesterday a Norwegian defence spokesman said the display was most likely from a failed Russian test launch.


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The bizarre spiral looks almost computer-generated in the dark skies over Norway yesterday




Confusion: The Norwegian Meteorological Institute was flooded with calls after the light storm


Tromso Geophysical Observatory researcher Truls Lynne Hansen agreed, saying the missile had likely veered out of control and exploded, and the spiral was light
reflecting on the leaking fuel.


But last night Russia denied it had been conducting missile tests in the area.


A Moscow news outlet quoted the Russian Navy as denying any rocket launches from the White Sea area.


Norway should be informed of such launches under international agreements, it was stressed.


However this morning media reports claimed a missile had indeed been launched from the White Sea. Test firings are usually made from the White Sea, close to
the Norwegian Arctic region.


Kommersant newspaper reported today that a test-firing before dawn on Wednesday coincided with the light show in the northern sky.


It also emerged today that Russia last week formally notified Norway of a window when a missile test might be carried out.




What could it be? Astronomers say the spectacle did not appear to be connected to the Northern Lights


This included a seven hour period early on Wednesday at the time when the lights were seen.


The submarine Dmitry Donskoy went to sea on Monday, ahead of the test, and some reports suggest the vessel is now back in port.


A Russian military source said today that 'the third stage of the rocket did not work'.


The Russian Defence Ministry, with characteristic secrecy, has so far been unavailable for comment.




A Bulava missile is fired from a submarine in this undated file photo. Russia has yet to confirm if a similar test launch was behind the mystery lights seen
over Norway yesterday


The Bulava, despite being crucial to Russia's plans to revamp its weaponry, is becoming an embarrassment after nine failed launches in 13 tests, prompting
calls for it to be scrapped.


In theory, it has a range of 5,000 miles and could carry up to ten nuclear weapons bound for separate targets.


A previous failure in July forced the resignation of Yury Solomonov, the director of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology which is responsible for
developing the missile.


However, he is now working as chief designer on the jinxed project.


The Norwegian Meteorological Institute was flooded with telephone calls after the light storm yesterday morning.


Totto Eriksen, from Tromsø, told VG Nett: 'It spun and exploded in the sky,'


He spotted the lights as he walked his daughter Amalie to school.


He said: 'We saw it from the Inner Harbor in Tromsø. It was absolutely fantastic.


'It almost looked like a rocket that spun around and around and then went diagonally down the heavens.


'It looked like the moon was coming over the mountain, but then came something completely different.'


Celebrity astronomer Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard said he had never seen anything like the lights.


He said: 'My first thought was that it was a fireball meteor, but it has lasted far too long.


'It may have been a missile in Russia, but I can not guarantee that it is the answer.'


Air traffic control in Tromso claimed the light show lasted 'far too long to be an astronomical phenomenon'.

[bluedreamer]

That is beautiful, I find it hard to believe that a missile would cause such a perfect spiral but I know nothing of that sort of thing.

[someguy]

that look s like some kind of portal to me, a definite product of technology, perhaps alien, a lot of people believe ET disclosure is coming in many forms,
perhaps this could be one of them.

[bluedreamer]

A quote about the symbolism of spirals:




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"Hopi Spiral Symbol:


This rendition of the Hopi spiral is also common among North, South and Central Native American Indian tribes. The spiral represents the number of journeys or
treks a tribe or nation has made to the four corners of the earth. Engraved on stones, the spiral suggests an intricate journey made to the Otherworlds on
back. Generally, the spiral represents a broadening of consciousness, which is the destination arrived after a long journey."




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more info on spiral symbolism from the same web site:




http://www.whats-your-sign.com/spiral-meaning.html

[Mornings Son]

viewed some videos on youtube of the phenomena and have come to believe its a missile.


If there comes a hole in the side of it - it will start spinning. Played a lot with fireworks as kid...




Still its is a beaty and a sign of something - a good one I feel.

[Hawkeye Crow]

You're probably right, MS. An errant Russian missle in super cold air. The Russians are always slow to talk about these things.




I'm always disappointed when a rational explanation emerges! I was hoping for alien signals or dimensional shifts. LoL




That it opens consideration of spiral symbolism is a welcome addition.




'I'm not the only one searching the skies for mankinds friend'--Joe Strummer

[Gonzo]

Hawkeye Crow wrote:

You're probably right, MS. An errant Russian missle in super cold air. The Russians are always slow to talk about these things.




I'm always disappointed when a rational explanation emerges! I was hoping for alien signals or dimensional shifts. LoL




That it opens consideration of spiral symbolism is a welcome addition.




'I'm not the only one searching the skies for mankinds friend'--Joe Strummer
For something supernatural perhaps? heh

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Great pic Hawkeye. Thanks for sharing. It is indeed amazing to look at. Does remind me of the webpage image.

[snowblind]

I was just chatting with a person in chat and was asked about ruthless self awareness. I had a hard time explaining it. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Ruthlessness is knowing your battle must be fought before all others.

[bluedreamer]

Yes, you must recognize within yourself what is keeping you from freedom. I like what Eilias wrote in another thread so I am copying it here:




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" Having experienced the AP point myself. I can tell you that in the place of no pity... There is no room for hatred. Hatred is pointless in this position
because the position lacks pity. Hatred can spring from self pity. You pity yourself, and you see other people who have that which you perceive you lack, and
you hate them for it. You simply lack pity for yourself and for others. It's not really being bitter. You just look at your tonal self and see all the
things you indulge that are stopping you from moving forward. It has nothing to do with you or any particular person. You see that if you stopped many of these
indulgences you free up a lot more energy that's all."






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--Quite well and simply put, thanks Eilias.






I am wondering about what DJ said about personality: that it is already formed and can't be changed so a warrior practices controlled folly. You see, I
have changed since I started practicing self-awareness, I'm not there yet, that's for sure but I have made progress. One example: in the past I could
hardly have a conversation with other people because I was so self conscious, today it is much easier though certain situations can still clam me up. Isn't
that a change in personality? Or is it more like controlled folly? I don't understand what he means by controlled folly. Anyone care to elaborate on
controlled folly?

[someguy]

Concerning post #54,


I was sent an email for my radio show account on blogtalkradio (I havent been very active with) and it contained interesting information pertaining to the
spiral:







UFO & Time Travel,


JF70 has sent you a message. View their profile here or log in to respond.




Subject: INTERVIEW REQUEST



Message: Born in Glasgow, Scotland, in 1922, Benjamin Creme
has spent his life as an artist and became an accomplished painter in the modernist style. He is also a futurist, author of several books and editor of Share
International magazine. Mr. Creme says that the current economic turmoil is not a mere downturn but is the end of a failed economic system based on
competition, division and greed. This system leaves hundreds-of-millions of people trapped in unremitting poverty and millions more perishing every year from
needless starvation and preventable disease. However, Benjamin Creme says that humankind is not alone in our hour of need. For over 30 years he has been
lecturing around the world informing audiences that behind the scenes are a group of wise Men Who have been guiding humanity's evolution for untold
thousands of years. They are known as the Masters of Wisdom. At the pinnacle of this Group is Maitreya (My-TRAY-uh). He is known to the world's religious
traditions as Christ, the Buddha, Imam Mahdi, Bodhisattva, Krishna, and the Messiah. However, Maitreya does not come as a religious teacher but as a teacher
in the broadest sense, concerned with modern day problems. On 12 December 2008 Share International distributed a news release to the world's media
announcing that in the very near future a large, bright star will appear in the sky visible throughout the world, night and day. Since early January 2009,
sightings of the star began to be reported from Brazil, Norway, Britain, the United States, South Korea, and Japan, with more and more sightings being sent
to Share International daily. Hundreds of videos of the star are showing up on YouTube, newspaper reports about an unusual
object in the sky have appeared in some newspapers, and blogs are appearing on the Internet asking what it could be. The star, which is actually 4 large
UFOs, is a prelude to Maitreya's full Emergence into the public. The huge spiral that manifested over Norway recently is an extension of the work of
these spacecraft and is irrefutable evidence of their reality. Our information is that further such manifestations are planned for the near future.
Benjamin Creme says that the UFOs do not come from anotehr time, since time, he contends, is an illusion. The operate, in a way, outside of our sense time.
If you would like to interview Benjamin Creme by telephone from his home in London, UK, please contact me and I will happily arrange it. jvfran@yahoo.com

[bluedreamer]

Wow, I just read something about Maitreya a couple of days ago.

[someguy]

Hi bluedreamer, yes. it seems that the puzzle pieces are coming together these days for me indeed

[Phoenix3333]

Hello..... I am Phoenix3333.
Warrior.....lover...learner........seeker.
Just a no body from no where seeking nothingness.
Phoenix3333

[The Fool]

Good luck Phoenix!!!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hello Fool and Phoenix. Are you Shamanic Warriors?

[The Fool]

Namaste Lone Wolf,

I don't go by definition...but surely on a Path with a Heart...

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Thanks for the quick answer. Ah to define Shamanic warrior...a path with heart is always the a good one, but remember such a path can be heartbreaking too....but you know that..

[The Fool]

I do...but once broken no more self-pity...and ruthlessness becomes the moment-to-moment thread...ruthlessness : true Heart?

[ChattyNobody]

The Fool wrote:I do...but once broken no more self-pity...and ruthlessness becomes the moment-to-moment thread...ruthlessness : true Heart?Heart Awakening.