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[pegy]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Thanks for the quick answer. Ah to define Shamanic warrior...a path with heart is always the a good one, but remember such a path can be heartbreaking too....but you know that..the way with heart is one that we choose. and follow with heart. so, warrior keep on his way. with faith, with heart.
your comment includes the way of expetations, that is not way of heart. heart lead , we percive with heart.
why that warning, its warning to expetation,  not to way of heart.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

My way of saying that the path with heart can be one that can illuminate emotions of the heart.

[Eilias123]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:My way of saying that the path with heart can be one that can illuminate emotions of the heart.
Very true!

[pegy]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:My way of saying that the path with heart can be one that can illuminate emotions of the heart.Emotion is product of perciving. Naturaly, if we perceive with heart, if our heart is awake, we  feel in a new way, or - we can say we feel for real.
But, you say that we have to be warry about broken heart. On the way of heart. It doesnt have sence. Way of heart is way of perceiving with heart, not of expetations, ego give up, and let heart lead, instead of expetations of ego - expetations are descriptions that ordinary man percive as reality. So broken heart is only decision of ego not to follow the heart. And than we are not speaking about way of heart, we are speaking  about self-importance.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Its the pain and suffering in dual experience that makes us long for completeness again. This is the value of negative emotions, cries for love are cries for completion. As Lonewolf said, "the path with heart can be heartbreaking too." We wander here lonely and forget we are eternity, something must wake us up to remember. I may never reach the goal, the most I can do is love as much as I can while here.

[Lunoor]

lyrics:
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[pegy]

Wei Shan Yang wrote:Its the pain and suffering in dual experience that makes us long for completeness again. This is the value of negative emotions, cries for love are cries for completion. As Lonewolf said, "the path with heart can be heartbreaking too." We wander here lonely and forget we are eternity, something must wake us up to remember. I may never reach the goal, the most I can do is love as much as I can while here.you are still on the way of the expectation, that is why you think about broken heart. it is not broken heart that one feel, it is effort that we make to ignore will of our heart. when self-importance is still demanding condition to love.
if we learn to perceive with heart, we learn to recognize its will. and then we choose. to act violent upon heart or not.

[pegy]

The Heart is conection with far off worlds.
A song for energy body
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BjzQulOuI

[Wei Shan Yang]

pegy wrote:Wei Shan Yang wrote:Its the pain and suffering in dual experience that makes us long for completeness again. This is the value of negative emotions, cries for love are cries for completion. As Lonewolf said, "the path with heart can be heartbreaking too." We wander here lonely and forget we are eternity, something must wake us up to remember. I may never reach the goal, the most I can do is love as much as I can while here.you are still on the way of the expectation, that is why you think about broken heart. it is not broken heart that one feel, it is effort that we make to ignore will of our heart. when self-importance is still demanding condition to love.
if we learn to perceive with heart, we learn to recognize its will. and then we choose. to act violent upon heart or not.
pegy, if I lose from my life those I love, I will miss them so much and there is nothing I can do to avoid this broken heart if it happens. I like to think of this now while they are here with me and I can still touch them, speak with them, enjoy their company; it helps me appreciate these loved ones even more as a result. It makes me realize that they are precious to me, illuminates the path that is heart.
We must not take things for granted. This is easy to do if we feel we got it all figured out, all safe and secure. Then a tsunami hits and we see we didn't have it all figured out at all. As nice as it is to come to forums and discuss, if we lost our families it would change our lives, and we should take heed of this. Not because we expect it will happen, but becasue it will show us what really matters beyond our mental conceptualizations, and then we can act upon it, and this will enliven our hearts. Doing this ushers in the magic of eternity. That aliveness of every particle, the connectedness.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Wei..such beauty in your words..I see in you the spirit, the nagual.

[Wei Shan Yang]

Hey those are lovely words Wolf, thanks.

[Wei Shan Yang]

If I had access to youtube I could get much better version of this song...but for what its worth here it tis...
Its a bittersweet surrender
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA0MzAyMjIw.html
and this one...
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTIwODM1OTQ4.html
Thank you President Hu for allowing me this much, its enough.

[Wei Shan Yang]

So pegy, you participate at PP? Seems so.

[pegy]

Wei Shan Yang wrote:pegy wrote:Wei Shan Yang wrote:Its the pain and suffering in dual experience that makes us long for completeness again. This is the value of negative emotions, cries for love are cries for completion. As Lonewolf said, "the path with heart can be heartbreaking too." We wander here lonely and forget we are eternity, something must wake us up to remember. I may never reach the goal, the most I can do is love as much as I can while here.you are still on the way of the expectation, that is why you think about broken heart. it is not broken heart that one feel, it is effort that we make to ignore will of our heart. when self-importance is still demanding condition to love.
if we learn to perceive with heart, we learn to recognize its will. and then we choose. to act violent upon heart or not.
pegy, if I lose from my life those I love, I will miss them so much and there is nothing I can do to avoid this broken heart if it happens. I like to think of this now while they are here with me and I can still touch them, speak with them, enjoy their company; it helps me appreciate these loved ones even more as a result. It makes me realize that they are precious to me, illuminates the path that is heart.
We must not take things for granted. This is easy to do if we feel we got it all figured out, all safe and secure. Then a tsunami hits and we see we didn't have it all figured out at all. As nice as it is to come to forums and discuss, if we lost our families it would change our lives, and we should take heed of this. Not because we expect it will happen, but becasue it will show us what really matters beyond our mental conceptualizations, and then we can act upon it, and this will enliven our hearts. Doing this ushers in the magic of eternity. That aliveness of every particle, the connectedness.

We cant predict anything - we can only choose to observe according what we want to be - can you tell someone - don't die - i love you and I'll suffer because of that. It sound common - to make condition to love - we follow ego - not heart in that moment.
You are just trying to figure out what love is, some construction that can be broken- it is not love. If you follow like this with time you come to situation to  shut up heart - don't love any more - our construction fall dawn - and heart suffer, not ego, ego is to stupid for that. - you find out reason - death is one. it would be to silly that love cant exist because someone is dead, what love is then- something to be or not? What is for ever - is love that?
Heart lead on the way of heart - never when you start to go on the way of heart, when you learn to listen its voice. heart can be broken.
 You broke it because you are still not on the way of heart. You don't want to love if someone is dead. You don't want death to bring people you love away - because they don't live in you heart - you  have never been their witness in silence of heart.
 Expectation we have by descriptions in the mind - we cant ever get rid of them - but there is always place where we look for answers - where we look for our connection with our will, no tsunami have approach to that place, it belong to eternity, heart is place which descriptions doesn't reach. It doesn't need construction to love.
when you learn not to stop heart will - voice of heart- you ll know that the only one that  suffer on the way of expectation is heart because of violence it have to resist - we have choice to follow its will or not - world of ego and descriptions that we follow in our thoughts are not the way of heart, not the space where it live.
When you collect enough of silence - moments without dialogue  about condition of love - you ll know what it is  about to have strange installation, ego under obsession of reality.
Every moment of inner silence make silence grow.
We have power within - to love is most beautiful and most natural thing to do.
Silence doesn't give reason to think about why we can't love - we just do it.
 Perceive with heart - that is all.
As I see you  make agreements about things we have to be worry about - helpless people are all around - they follow same description.
Why you do the same thing ?. Look in a new way - put descriptions of worry aside .
Descriptions are like a rock - cant move it upon hill where is better view. They don't solve anything, just give the reason - we want to be shore we are in wright game when  love - there is no way for that - you need to enter another space for answers, space of inner. silence
Heart - if you don't see its straight - you look in wrong direction. You are looking for power out of yourself- nagual is in the Heart that is inside you.

[pegy]

Wei Shan Yang wrote:pegy wrote:Wei Shan Yang wrote:Its the pain and suffering in dual experience that makes us long for completeness again. This is the value of negative emotions, cries for love are cries for completion. As Lonewolf said, "the path with heart can be heartbreaking too." We wander here lonely and forget we are eternity, something must wake us up to remember. I may never reach the goal, the most I can do is love as much as I can while here.you are still on the way of the expectation, that is why you think about broken heart. it is not broken heart that one feel, it is effort that we make to ignore will of our heart. when self-importance is still demanding condition to love.
if we learn to perceive with heart, we learn to recognize its will. and then we choose. to act violent upon heart or not.
pegy, if I lose from my life those I love, I will miss them so much and there is nothing I can do to avoid this broken heart if it happens. I like to think of this now while they are here with me and I can still touch them, speak with them, enjoy their company; it helps me appreciate these loved ones even more as a result. It makes me realize that they are precious to me, illuminates the path that is heart.
We must not take things for granted. This is easy to do if we feel we got it all figured out, all safe and secure. Then a tsunami hits and we see we didn't have it all figured out at all. As nice as it is to come to forums and discuss, if we lost our families it would change our lives, and we should take heed of this. Not because we expect it will happen, but becasue it will show us what really matters beyond our mental conceptualizations, and then we can act upon it, and this will enliven our hearts. Doing this ushers in the magic of eternity. That aliveness of every particle, the connectedness.

[Wei Shan Yang]

"We cant predict anything - we can only choose to observe according what we want to be - can you tell someone - don't die - i love you and I'll suffer because of that. It sound common - to make condition to love - we follow ego - not heart in that moment." pegy



I don't tell anyone in my life not to die or even indicate for one second that if they do I will suffer, I take people as they are, do you pegy? Do you take people as they are or prefer to try and teach them the edict of heart that you profess to know? I am ok with how I view my loved ones. I know they will die and I will die, I'm ok with that. My heart aches, maybe one day it won't, maybe at my death I will embrace a new power...it does not matter to me, nothing matters to me, and its your own ego that reads importance into my words. I choose to love and also be hurt by feeling loss as a consequence. If one of your loved ones died, you would honestly not feel any different than the day before? I doubt that. Talking the talk is easier than having to go through all this in real life.



You avoided my question about being from pp. Should I take that as a yes?

[shamanka]

The stance of the warrior is not one of aggression or of defensiveness....it is 'being' the conscious moment where the void and creation merge, to a form a focused action of intent, directed with integrity, sharp with truth, the outcome already manifest in the knowing of the heart.

[Wei Shan Yang]

The stance of a warrior is to decide For him or herself, is where power lies. Any other stance is unacceptable. Note how this does not deny you your truth, nor tell you in what manner to be.

[Lunoor]

Here's how I've noticed it.
If the moment calls for defense the well honed and (sometimes) the lucky gives it, when a quiet word is due, it comes. An example, a night I was in the moment:

I was painting with a friend in the garage. My friend needed to go get some brushes or something so off he went and I kept on painting. The doors were closed. After my friend had been gone maybe twenty or thirty minutes someone banged into the door with their body, I could see the door bend in. I picked up the first best thing I found, a near by long copper pipe and let out a loud and sharp hey!  I went to the door ready to attack and yelled "Who is it?" Turns out it was my friend, a friend who likes to shock and challenge people and an arrogant sob. He said "its me" I let him have it for awhile(not with the pipe) and he told me he almost **** his pants when he heard me pick up the pipe and yell. Later that night I realized it was a good test and told him so while still being angry with him .  I had some personal power that night. I miss that sob sometimes too but he's too arrogant to talk to me anymore: fool of a thousand dogs.
It could also be a Love dance when some cantankerous fool(s) is grilling you like a school teacher for a power trip while on chat, you tell them you'll be right back and make the dance and when you come back the dogs of war have lost their teeth for it...for awhile--and that all without planning because another friend on chat slipped you a beautiful vidsong and the minute of the music was the minute of the dance was the minute you took the break then danced for Love's war.
It could be any other imaginable set of circumstances which timely action arises from from within, it doesn't arise from any ideas you have about what right action is.
The stance of a warrior is this; not ideas.
The ideal anyway, don't know anyone acting from that place all the time, think I met one guy who seemed close.

~And these are become ideals written in the realm of the movement of ideas...
And what's a fool to do?

[another spirit]

I have a sweet sister whos been showing this. Because I have a lot of ideals but they just detract from sheer enjoyment. Shes younger though, and keeps nearby in dreaming for when I get lost. But usually if you want act without ideals, stay on the line, there is a line, pretty much the 'ap' where reality is assembled and chosen. How to explain it better, but yea, it is choosing a preference and balancing it with something. Something powerful maybe? Wanna fill in the gap?

[another spirit]

And yes the specific experience I'm referring to is exactly as shamanka and all of you put it.
And thinking that what it was balanced with was/is, the old world, to keep it fresh, take what's best, and to recall the ideals that put that world together.

[Lunoor]

another spirit wrote:I have a sweet sister whos been showing this. Because I have a lot of ideals but they just detract from sheer enjoyment. Shes younger though, and keeps nearby in dreaming for when I get lost. But usually if you want act without ideals, stay on the line, there is a line, pretty much the 'ap' where reality is assembled and chosen. How to explain it better, but yea, it is choosing a preference and balancing it with something. Something powerful maybe? Wanna fill in the gap?
I think see what you're saying about choosing a preference, yeah a choice is made and then things take place from that choice place more often with the movement of something powerful, I don't want to fill in the gap just yet, about to close my eyes and i just want to let what you said sit in here for awhile

[another spirit]

hey i jumped in on this late. i didnt read all of what you said pegy, but i like what you are saying about people living on in your heart and constructions of what love is. i have this experience too often of going for something that i think is heart only to find out it is something i made up to take its place. and while that still is heart, it's incomplete and there is always wanting for something... something.... to make it complete. disatisfaction. but heart is near our center of decisions, it makes the right choice even if it's the wrong one, in my opinion. just give it time i guess. i read somewhere that time is the essence of impeccability. dj says impeccability is death kept in mint condition.
and lunoor.... lol why dont you beat it while you soak it up?

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