Current issues with the site

[seesaw]

I have a complaint about the site, namely an individual Nagual human.
Any post i look at has his comments everywhere. The volume of comments and content from him is enormous.

The quality and content of his comments i find lower the general standard of the open site.  I feel this keeps people away, stops more intelligent discussion from happening, generally just suffocating the place.

Its akin to having a parasite that is leaching the life of the forum.

[NagualHuman]

If it so much bothers you, please, kill me, if you have some concrete problems with the Nagual or the Human, please state what is truly problem, except that it looks like to me you do not like anyone that shows himself of and the celebrities...
I hope that if your self-importance is satisfied by your words and your acts, if not, my detachments and attachments and your concern about them is only your own foolishness, looks like to me you never heard the of acceptance and forgiveness, anyway I am going to detach myself for some time, even thoughtin past few weeks noone posted here absolutely nothing, so this is just your game by which you are trying to show off yourself through mistakes of others and definitely is not intelligent, however if your problems with the Truth you are looking for still persist please contact Administrator or Make sure that problem is solved in nonabruptive way to both sides. There is no difference between parasitism and parasitism on parasite. As you state my quality and content of comment higher the general stand'art, because shyness is one thing everyone has to deal with without trollism and angriness, nor any sense of them. Have a Nice Day, I hope hammer of judge will fall soon.

And if you are interfering rather than observing no wonder that you did not noticed that, my sub-section was recreated and if you were by slightest intelligent as you are trying to pose, outside. Your brain would be able to proccess that information so that your bird brain would make thought that maybe It pissess myself same as you! that I am everywhere... and that the sub-section was made particuraly for this reason, and not just questioning anyones importance.

And if still my words keeps you as only you think, that I = another you keeps people away, its only YOU PROBLEM.
Have a Nice Day, B'less you as I said Im going away for some time, and if that was your intent at first place, be sure that you got what you wanted, so I am glad I was able to solve this problem.

[NagualHuman]

You are absolutely truthful my earthly brother, its much much easier and less painfull to blame others for anyones problems and mistakes than to shut the afflictions with peace and silence of mutual acceptance towards all sides, especially the ours that is responsible for outcome we see, and love we make here, together, on earth.

[seesaw]

I would prefer if you did not comment anymore on this NH

I do not read any threads where i see you are the last person posting. I would guess others also avoid reading what you write.

If you do not comment on this thread more people will read it and have an input. I would like to discuss this with other site users without you interfering.

Then we can see other peoples reactions to the things you write here, we can then decide if you are helpful or harmful for the overall site.

So please no more comment on this thread. Thank-you.

[Black Jaguar]

I do not know if its better to release whats inside, wheter it may seem relevant or not for whoever or none and even if that, is worthy or silence.
And if so what is the value of any word, anyway if we sooner or later bump into something, through process.

[shamanka]

black jaguar you are nagual human...this is one of my issues with you...you keep changing names and back yourself up on threads like this..so keep all your personas out of it...

[seesaw]

If this is the case, ie NH is also black jaguar, this is another example of the sort of useless posting that is dragging down the quality of the forum. This means that NH has already posted 3 times in this thread, removed one very long nonsense post, left another remaining, then posted as a sock puppet supporting his own argument from before. Frankly the forum deserves better.

In the absence of NLW the moderation here at the forum has been very liberal, verging on an almost anything goes policy. This in my opinion makes the forum look farcical. Dealing with each other when we have varying perceptions of reality is hard enough. We don't need to treat it like an open hospital for any lunatic that wants to post vast quantities of nonsense.

People have spent much time and energy talking to NH privately to try and change the way he participates here. My own opinion is 'enough is enough'. I request that he be banned by anyone with authority to do so.
Ps i also suspect he is using the new name Mr Nagual too. If so this person is conducting entire conversations amongst the three characters. It makes a complete mockery of this place. Ban him or watch the site degrade to the point where it is worthless garbage.

[seesaw]

As a quick note, NH just admitted to me in chat that he was using the others names of black jaguar and Mr Nagual.

He also said they have now left the site.

[NagualHuman]

I am glad you give us news straight from the middle of happening, and if you we are going to play games on mouses and news reporter than to be accurate you are not saying truth and that is what it all should be so please stop lying because what I said was "That those three people are not me and because they acted in correspondence to the mutual spirit - nagual of the presence and thus their energy was fused and so it may seems that their faces are same or like soldiers in uniforms, from distance as in reality people that do things together intermingle and their features become to be similiar in their doings." I wont be writing to this topic if you would not wrote lie and just your distortions like sensationalistic paparazzi as you are unable to believe in Link with the Spirit, I hope you will...

I think this topic should be renamed to Seesaw News, the most accurate source of information.

[watergaze]

The end decisions are on LW what concerns this - he is not absent now and I am not the overseer of this place as I was any more (and what concerns my part of guiding this site in his absence I am very satisfied with the way things were before LW returned, even in the NH department I found we had come to a good spot what concerned his posting, which was not how it is now). Since LW's return I have been withdrawing from administrating this place as that makes sense now that LW is back and making decisions on his own that have come to shape this place since his return.

Mr Nagual is not NagualHuman (neither is NagualJudas. people at this site are paranoid and see scout or NH everywhere, even where it is not so, then they feel he is overcrowding the place even when he is not). Black Jaguar may be, since he has used IPs from different parts of the globe, and his introduction imo points to either being a sock puppet and/or a person who is playing around.

seesaw, I do not appreciate you confusing facts about the site. You say in the absence of NLW the moderation at the forum has been very liberal and that it is affecting the quality of things. Actually, I was around for a long time before LW's absence came about and it was practically impossible to discuss anything here. I stopped reading the public part of the site altogether, went directly to RF until I became Admin and had to deal with the mess by default of LW going poof. In comparison to how I remember it before, I find now the site has had some nice threads in the last months (some of those you can see featured).

The way moderating has been done during LW's absence was continuing his liberal approach. This was done consciously and the site has flourished over the last year it got back on its feet (which can be seen on more areas of the site, one of which is active members increasing from less than 30 to around a 100, before LW came back). If LW wishes to change the policy of member posting he may do so..

If people agree with seesaw and shamanka, we can give NH a warning. Give him some concrete posting guidelines (which need to be made), which if he does not keep to would lead then to restricting his posting limit. Still, another thing that needs to be cleared is then the issue of sock puppets. I was never one for sock puppetry but had to accept it around here (because here it always was a constant phenomenon). If we limit NH and he wants to go around that it is easy.. The site/LW allows sock puppets. There is no use banning or limiting him if sock puppets are gonna stay.

I have already suggested what I suggest above when we had issues with other members spamming or over posting, but it never led to any thing. However, since I am an admin at the moment, if people want a change in policy (and LW is not against it), I can make it happen to the extent it is possible. I can check on IPs of people and remove the ones that are not stable and jump around the globe, or the ones that are same as other members. Only if this is done does it make sense to limit member's posting and/or ban them (but there usually is no need to ban if we have options to restrict).

P.S. After reading seesaws' last post made while I was typing my reply...
I repeat Mr Nagual is not NagualHuman.. just cause NH says he is someone or he is not someone does not change a clear fact

[NagualHuman]

Anyone that is concerned about the healthy flow of forum and information and power within it and see mine actions or of those two fellows which were sent here by Spirit, because of simple loving intent, an magic, and you feel that we are somehow destructializing the possibilities of this web as productive, knowledgefull and place where you could share yours, I have to apologize, mainly because someone named Seesaw urgued me to do so, I take it as a omen of spirit. SORRY YOU ALL! For What I, he or the third, fourth man or woman is, I know saying that I am not them is waste of time, and I understand that you must feel exactly like Don Juan when he met the Tuliuno and other Tulios, but unfortunately until all sorcerers works with one Intent, no dreams are going to be truth and I want to proclam now and for all the future, that from this moment now on I will speak only the truth without lies and my actions and their possible outcomes, will be conservatively, soberly and very sorcerily considered for the only thing that iterests me and this opening the doors of dreams.

And everyone is that, but until we same as seesaw here, does not fully, concretely and in detail speak what we want, it cannot be as dreams are drived by intent, forgiveness and ease, so please forgive me, I wish you all luck and dream, wherever you are and to everything else.

As I already said before and to which seesaw nothing said, I am going to post in very "particular" manner towards the scheme and intent of this forum, no overflood, everywhere else than in my new section, that has been made mainly because of the reason, I felt what seesaw conveyed here and already made "provisions" so that the forum one again, may and shall be natural place of warriors, like a bonfire in life of those warrior visiting and getting warmth by observing the flames or casting logs in it.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Less words make for more powerful thoughts.

[Littlepaw]

Demonstrated beautifully

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