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All these approaches are excellent, ofc.
To toss in a couple pennies and add to the wealth ( ; ) JJ ) using breathing to move/redeploy energy is an excellent tool as well. I remember my teachers saying that "breathing is intending". As always, I didn't know what the h3ll they were talking about, but it sounded sufficiently cryptic to keep me coming back to their seminars lol. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff! Anyways, in a way, its absolutely true. In regards to how our energy is spun into the configuration of our lives....breathing itself is very close to the fundamental forces of intent which give rise to the gift of this life, IMHO. And, of course, sexual energy is another relatively fundamental force, it seems like to me. They have different signatures or tones....those energies. Sexual energy is pretty euphoric/intense and enticing, it seems....thus it's easily captured and horded in perhaps unhealthy ways when overemphasized or kind of focused in a unilateral direction over and over and over again. How do I know this, you ask? Take a wild guess! LOL So....yeah....kind of a shame, from one perspective, to have all that intense energy getting deployed in a routine way which may result in me losing out on all the other myriad and marvelous facets of being a human magician (as we all are) walking around on this magical planet. There's other things to see and do and experience that are just as awesome....maybe even more awesome! So...pulling away from the habit of repetitive, unilateral projections of sexual energy...which may, unfortunately become a part of a ensnaring network which might divert others as well. I certainly don't want that, ultimately.
In comparison, breath energy feels soft and pervasive, though powerful as well. Its potent in terms of loosening knots....softening compulsions...and drawing previously ensnared energetic coils to other parts of the body which may need to be part of the flow of that energy. So, one cool technique (among many, many others) is to use my breath to draw that sexual energy from down there....up through the central channel of the trunk of my spine and then out through the network.....the roots and branches of my peripheral nervous system.....or, more subtly, through the branch-like/root-like energetic channels that pervade my being. Inhale.....drawing that energy up and through.....exhale......gently blow that energy throughout those arteries/capillaries/veins that make up my energetic network. Effects may be subtle and elusive at first.....but, as DJ said......."nothing can stand in the face of persistence". The process...whatever it may be or one chooses....gathers momentum if put into practice. Always.
That being said. Prepare to surprise yourself! You....me....any of us....I'm firmly convinced....will connect (if we want and persistently intend to) with that infinitely creative, powerful, intelligent force that's out there via our internal link.....our inner seer...and will spontaneous manifest techniques/approaches for solving these energetic knot puzzles...solutions which stretch the imagination. The creativity/ingenuity will fractalize and feed into itself until alignment with that force is pure, clear and friction-less....and then......THEN.....we simply become a living expression of that force that cannot be impeded.
LOL....sry, y'all. I get away from myself, talking like this sometimes. Especially after coming fresh from an extended session of silent intention ; )
Anyway....for what it's worth
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And.....you're cool, Jos3ph. And it has nothing to do with anyone else thinking so....ya dig? ; )
"From my own recent experience, I'd say that it just happens. When I practice sexual integrity the energy that wasn't spent naturally flows into dreaming"
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Yep, glance. I dug, or have digged... Lol .
I experienced your enthusiasm as very inspiring!
I think that breathing is the most immediate, most profound, and most overlooked technique there is!
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Don Juan doesn't talk much about breathing in the books, but in one of them he says humans of ancient times (I suppose before the arrival of the flyers) used to have unbelievable breathing capacity. He also mentions breathing is straight out receiving energy from the universe. Anyways, thank you guys for suggesting that which is so beautifully obvious, I will practice breathing now.
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In Chinese culture they do focus on breathing quite a bit. They say it draws in vital energy called Qi. Chinese have very long life spans too.
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Enthusiasm and perennial awareness of the breath in the context of alignment with intent.....whoa! Potent combo.
'Course there's those of us prone to "unbridled enthusiasm".....which can go sideways sometimes lol.
Yeah.....Chi.....energy.....drawn through energetic meridians/channels. Quite invigorating.
Thanks for the reminder, Serloco. Think I'll do some Qi Gong today along with Tensegrity.
Speaking of such...and, in terms of breathing and "the books"...what about the book Magical Passes? That one's chalk full of breathing in conjunction with energetic movements ; ) There's a specific set devoted to dreaming within what they call The Westwood Series. I'm gonna do that series right now! ; )
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So, in the spirit of "practice what you preach", I did some sexual energy redeployment with the breath.....and infinity brought in some spontaneous creativity to help reinvest the primordial enthusiasm (creativity and enthusiasm feed into one another, I'm finding ....particularly when the creativity isn't contrived....when its allowed to spontaneously emerge). So, some stirring in the genitals...sexually energy.....that vibration that's high pitched and has the itch to go somewhere, you know? You know ; ) So, with the intent to redeploy inwardly throughout my being....and, in doing so, make it available for dreaming.....I see the vibration down there in the abstract.....a scintillating ball of thrumming thread-like lines of white light. Then, with the inhale.....draw those squirming lines up through the spine (central channel) to the third eye. Now, Infinity offers a suggestion......and a silhouette image of an antique movie projector (third eye) set up in a small, dark theater unfolds. The lines of light travel up through the electrical cord and, upon reaching the already in place and fully functioning, though previously quiescent movie projector, it comes to life! with the classic vibratory clicking/clacking sound of movie reel with the celluloid moving past a beam of white light (the redeployed energy) streaming out through the projector. Now those primordial, streaming threads of pure energy are refracted through the lens of the third eye and a scene begins to play out on the screen. My witnessing/observing perspective (previously watching all this from a third person perspective) turns and moves forward to embody the scene for a couple moments. Its a beautiful sunset in the mid-western plains of the US.....exquisite cream colored swaths of the stream of clouds lit up from beneath with strokes of smooth peach and orange lining the sky, progressively becoming more clear and intense before meeting the dark silhouette skyline of the rocks/mountains off in the distance (this signature/composition represents something deeper...more abstract...but I don't know how to talk about it : D ). Its a scene from western movie! But with far more depth and feeling than any western I've ever seen. The scene is static.....but alive! Its a moment that is showing me something, as if to say "You see?!" Then, the scene reabsorbs back into the darkness of the void....into 2nd attention visions which are proper to our private dreaming forum, Ravenfield, we have here....so won't post here.
So, here's a shining example of collaborative ingenuity....how stuff like this just emerges when we bring our individual streams of intent together. The previous thing mentioned above....I've never done it before! And wouldn't have if y'all hadn't brought the topic up for consideration. There are lots of very precise techniques out there, proper to certain lineages, with respect to dreaming....and all kinds of other maneuvers involving perception/awareness.....and those are all extremely potent and valuable with their context. And, there's also the option of techniques just kind of emerging on the fly, straight from the heart of infinity. It's kind of a passion of mine....but not in any way meant to undermine any other techniques out there which are beneficial to the ones employing them. From my humble perspective....its about each of us finding our own way.....both together....and individually.
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Something just came to me.... Breathing is the one automatic function that we can take control of, so to speak.
When I practice any breathing technique am I not INTERFERING with the natural rhythm? But! I already know that tend to not breathe deeply or fully when I'm not taking control. I'm unconsciously interfering anyway. So, is it ultimately possible to be aware of my breath without interfering at all? Immediately it is a complete contradiction...
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Yeah but ya see we dont breath the best we can. We are lax and lazy. By researching the best way to breath and then implementing it we do interfere and in doing so expand our health and well-being.
But yes, in answer to your question, we can observe without interfering. Anything is possible.
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Enthusiasm and perennial awareness of the breath in the context of alignment with intent.....whoa! Potent combo.
'Course there's those of us prone to "unbridled enthusiasm".....which can go sideways sometimes lol.
Yeah.....Chi.....energy.....drawn through energetic meridians/channels. Quite invigorating.
Thanks for the reminder, Serloco. Think I'll do some Qi Gong today along with Tensegrity.
Speaking of such...and, in terms of breathing and "the books"...what about the book Magical Passes? That one's chalk full of breathing in conjunction with energetic movements ; ) There's a specific set devoted to dreaming within what they call The Westwood Series. I'm gonna do that series right now! ; )
Qi gong is so cool, I agree, but have you heard of daoism? Its a death defier group. I have read on it some and it seems very promising. They spoke of many ways to live and surpass death.
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Jos3ph wrote:
Something just came to me.... Breathing is the one automatic function that we can take control of, so to speak.
When I practice any breathing technique am I not INTERFERING with the natural rhythm? But! I already know that tend to not breathe deeply or fully when I'm not taking control. I'm unconsciously interfering anyway. So, is it ultimately possible to be aware of my breath without interfering at all? Immediately it is a complete contradiction...
natural is a system of evolution, which means we can always do better. Are you at par with your fellow man or are you better?
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What I see as being natural is living from the heart, exploring, learning, and being free. I was born that way, and so for me that is natural. I remember.
I also remember that I gave that up in order to save my life as a physical being.
In my experience, those around me do want to live from their heart, but we've all been so enthralled by the shadow that we don't remember how. It's been very unnaturally forced onto us, often (or maybe always) violently so.
I don't see it as being better. It simply IS. You cannot improve upon a lie.
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Natural expression of energy and intent through my configuration. That's the way, I agree. I've seen its unfettered manifestation and its a joy to behold. It's DEFINITELY possible. The trick is to approach that expression through a miasma of seemingly unnatural circumstances.....the way of the world, so to speak. The swirling rats nest of shadowy interference in which I've certainly played my part. It is a very fascinating challenge, to me.....nothing more.....nothing less.
In a way....and on a certain level....I guess I see that the challenge of the network of interference....is also natural. It IS......so to speak. Its an interplay of forces that lends itself to a perennial dance of freedom and entrapment....expansion and contraction. Higher minds understand, it seems....and, I guess, have been given a glimpse of just enough to not be embittered about it....just kind of accept and seek a natural resolution on a personal level. I know that when I'm more deeply connected and aligned via silence (a silence, btw, that is free from speculation about this whole process/phenomenon : ) ) there is a pervasive peace about the whole of it. It seems there's nothing really to worry about.
With respect to whether to "interfere" with interference via deliberate breathing techniques.....yeah, in that state of alignment, its all game! Sometimes I feel compelled to "take a deep breath" so to speak. To shift resources here or there in order to restore balance. Would I need to if I were perfectly aligned and beyond interference? Probably not.....each and every breath would be just right, I suppose. Would I even be BREATHING in that state? H3ll, IDK.....who knows? Who cares?! I just follow the lead of that inner voice that seems to be leading me home, regardless of how hellish and insoluble the "way of the world" is atm in my personal experience. When aligned (and sometimes I'm not, TBH : ) ) resolution to the natural state seems like a foregone conclusion......its inevitable. So.....why worry? It's all good! : D
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Serloco,
Yeah....those Daoists seem to know a thing or two (pun intended! ; ) ) on the unification, in perception, of the fundamental opposing forces. To me, that's the essence of "death defying" : )
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I don't know much I can share on the sexual energy topic... but I am quite interested in the way this became about breathing hehe. Recently I have started with the Wim Hof breathing method - thnx to a member of this site who mentioned it to me.
but here I found for you a post JJ made about a book that talks about male sexual energy redeployment (mentions testicle breathing among other things): taoist-secrets-of-love-cultivating-male ... t5614.html
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glance left wrote:
: ) I think I remember DJ saying something like the Path With Heart is a joy to follow and so on and so forth.
From my experience I've found that my ego would love to spin a tale about how "hard" its been to follow this path.....so it can have something to brag about around the dinner table ; ) . Honestly, The Path of Unendurable Suffering, seems to ironically be engendered by the bramble-filled underbrush of the path that perennially deviates from the Path With Heart. Friction....discord.....dialog driven compulsive madness.....nightmares.....paranoia.....paucity of energy.....boredom....fatigue....hatred.....strife.....blah blah blah...on and on and on. Interminable and unendurable! Whew! Thank heaven for returning to the Path With Heart, OMG! Where things are fresh....clear....potent.....brimming with energy....abstract affection...possibilities....adventure....depth of understanding and of experience....delightful weirdness without end.....and friendship! All of the good stuff : )
I heard about this guy who fell into a river. At first, a prolonged nightmare of thrashing...clawing....straining against insurmountable currents and twirling eddies...cuts...bruises....being bashed into unconsciousness only to awaken to the urge to fight amidst pure panic and fear again....on and on and on. Finally, he says, he just could not fight any more and just let go while simply aiming to stay afloat. Naturally, the current funneled him to the center of the river which effortlessly bore him down stream. The more he let go, with only slight, relaxed, calibrating adjustments to subtly redirect himself to the center....the more swiftly and smoothly he was sped along. He was finally deposited to the shore 100's of miles downstream, to his utter delight!
And then he promptly walked to the nearest village to brag to the locals about how far he'd swum : )
Good story. Relates well to my current situation. I'm still doing too much of the unendurable suffering part though. I keep telling myself it's all in my perspective, then comes the next blow. But each thing does make it easier in the long run. When I get downstream, I'll only brag a little.
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To address Silvio's original question....
There seems to be an assumption of failure in there. As if without the proper climate for sorcery a student cannot succeed. Naturally everyone's heard the phrase "when the student is ready the teacher will appear". To me, that means that the student is in fact the teacher and when he gets to business and starts trying to learn, he will. If he were trying to learn to play tennis for example, once he starts hitting the ball with the racquet and seeing what happens he's learning. Whether someone else is there with him or not. If he's not prepared to learn that it wouldn't matter who was trying to teach him, he wouldn't learn.
There's good information out there with which a student can start training himself. Many good books have been mentioned in these forums. Be your own teacher. Others may help guide you, but really you're the only one who can teach you, and you might be the only teacher you need. Why bother? Why not bother?
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JJ just hit a sore spot for the people using the "I need a teacher" card.
If you wait for the perfect conditions to start doing something you likely never will. The mind can always think of an excuse.
What was that monk saying? That anyone can go and meditate in a cave but the trick was doing it in the middle of a busy intersection?
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If Don Juan's toltec lineage is no longer, does that mean there is no chance for others to fulfill the goal of life and reach the third attention?
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SilvioManuel wrote:
If Don Juan's toltec lineage is no longer, does that mean there is no chance for others to fulfill the goal of life and reach the third attention?
Of course not, dont be silly. The lineage lives on in everyone who practices sorcery.
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But the path is so hard
DJ said it would take Carlos everything he had, all he got, that the fight was "right here, in this chest", and that's because DJ was doing his impeccable best at teaching Carlos.
The foreign installation is a force that actually is slowly sweeping me off the realm of language the more I witness it.
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I am not saying I will back down on the path due to not having a teacher, but I am questioning whether it is possible to venture out safely far enough into the second attention without one when Don Juan himself says it is impossible and that those in the path are only chosen by power. He also says the warrior's path is so unendurable that no one on sane conditions would actually ever volunteer; explaining why they're all tricked into the path.
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Well ya see, I remember don Juan teaching Carlos and saying that power is responsible for finding a teacher at the right time. I have had many teachers in my life and have become one myself.
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I wouldnt say the path is unendurable, I would say the path is as Glancey says, a path of heart, full to the brim. I think don Juan was exagerating given to Carlos' laziness. Id say he was prepping him not to give up. For me, and my path has been unbelievable, it has been full of miracles, wonders, and abilities.
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JJ, we'll be comparing bruises! Who got roughed up the most : D
SM, agree with Serloco, FG, JJ. The path is only untenable in the context of the compulsive clinging of the ego...the compulsive sense of self to the extent that we become frozen and hardened into a dried husk. Maybe seems hard to break the crust enough to wiggle the toes...move the fingers....look around a little bit....drink a sip of water, FFS! : D Then, once the joy that's inherent in the path begins to become apparent...then the "It's so hard!" perspective starts to give way to "This rocks!". It takes a bit of trust, initially, until one finds the proof in the pudding, so to speak.
DJ/CC's lineage was sealed....but not in the way you're describing. It was sealed only from the perspective of it being something exclusive. It's been opened up.....released. i.e. jump in! If you want to. The one's who are "chosen"...are simply the ones who do it...and persist in doing it, IMHO.
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