Lujan Matus

[serloco]

Pure needy bullshit. Yes, I am definitely through with you. My last comment to your ****.

[Absyllyon]

No, not a curse. When one opens ones heart, be wide awake, be sharp and be ruthless the the influx of sentiment that posses as heart. Balance the emotive force and feel the One Life.A reminder to myself.

[serloco]

What you define is not heart and thus you should not claim it as heart. You just said something as heart, that is NOT heart. Heart is not a weakness. And yes what you said is a curse.

[Finwe]

Heart is nothing, that could be think of, because once you think about it, you are actually are creating it's image and as heart is not inside the mind it cannot be contained by it ever, this is in otherwords a direct way of entering infinity and just reading this words would make you burn from within if you would not mind. Such a power Nagual of Earth has.

[serloco]

Said like a true iob fool. You try to cage everything in a neat little box. Lust eh? Yeah you do lust disgustingly. Love and the unknown run much deeper then the confines of the mind. Infinity you say like a **** while ignoring the unknown depths of love and heart. My heart and my love, like my soul knows no boundaries. The nagual lives inside of me and my heart together. Infinity is illimitable.

[serloco]

Oh gee whiz, I suppose you are trying to teach moi about the heart right??!!! Uhhh.... no thanks yet again. I will take my chances.... at loving. Its a magical thing unconditional love is.

((((((

[Absyllyon]

"What you define is not heart and thus you should not claim it as heart"
I did not define heart or love. I said beware of the sentiment that posses as love.
When practicing coming from the heart and opening the heart I feel overwhelming feelings of gratitude and compassion for everything. What I also felt was an over powering sense of sentiment that would make me just about weep. I felt bonded and deeply in love. I have questioned that and found that what I think of as heart and love is in actual fact sentiment. To open up those energies without sobriety will only bring delusion and bring one into bondage of the originator or the practices.
I am not implying anything for either of you. This is what I work on, what I see.

[serloco]

I do not mean to be too harsh on Finwe, but I find his threats and knowledge of pushing death and weakness around to be sickening.

[serloco]

Love is supportive and generating, it does not harm. It enlightens and helps, it is positive energy and everyone loves positive energy. Care is not weakness, desire to help one another neither. There are two forces positive and negative, and people love positive forces for good reason. It generates and sustains life, and transcends boundaries. It does not seek to harm nor threaten, trap nor kill. It is nt hard to keep your eyes open and spot love for what it is love. Seeing and loving together is not so difficult. Yet to love something that is evil I find difficult.

[Finwe]

Once one is within heart, there is nothing to be reproached, disavowed or anyhow else changed, infinity is integral, like the naturality of heart. Unlike mind, that can be anything, anyhow, except the heart itself, ever simply because the mind is in the individual's infinity, yet not it's energetical center, like the spirit of infinity is and the link between spirit and warrior, that is his heart.

[serloco]

It is no mistake that love creates new lives. The act of love brings new people and new creations into existence. Love is natural to us, it is an act of creation and we all love to create.

[serloco]

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[Finwe]

Lujan Matus is a Man on his place.

[Absyllyon]

Ok. You guys can keep on maintaining your delusions.
Who is this Man. A self proclaimed Nagual. A man who claims to be Questzalcoatl. Basically a man on a messianic mission claiming messianic status. He who does no wrong, ever; just ask his disciples. A man who has turned a teaching into a commodity.
I find in me that I am drawn to him and his teachings. I want to believe him. I have believed him and find little tolerance from him or those close to him for any type of questions that might throw the slightest shadow on him. I find that to remain in his camp I must remain mute and not pronounce what I see.
I look at his disciples and see such devotion. They clearly get a huge amount of benefit from him. As I look I notice a willingness to ignore any discrepancys' they see in him and his teachings.

[serloco]

When I was there I saw very little knowledge, and what they had they could not even translate properly in the tonal. It was like their words were empty. NO understanding to pass on, no real motion of energy. I also saw no tales of real power in anyone. I posted mine and they fell on don Juans warnings of iobs and demanded I be trapped by them etc. Not even their own seeing nor energies but puppets of a small fragment of don Juan's teachings, meanwhile they missed and ignored the positive ones. Thats what i saw. Now i see some true delusions and inorganic desperate needs wrapped up in tricks and lies.

[serloco]

If Lujan had any power to attack someone it would have been me. I confronted him, insulted hi, and proved his idiosy right in his forum and in this one. I got nothing from him but chumpyness and depreate attempts at hiding who he is and the mistakes he made. NOthing even close to any nagual ability nor attack, nope nothing. I just laughed at him. I almost any forum people will rally around the mods, and show devotion and ass kissing to them. Sheeple.

[Finwe]

Lujan Matus is a Man on his place, as the earth allowed him to be there as he spirit follows, the fact that there is a darkness not still, spiraling all the time is absolutely different matter and that is of the Golden Spiral of silence, that emmanates interdimensionality as the flow, integral of actuality, the what is between warrior and his part of the transient destiny of cosmos, heart, the force called by ancient Hyborean Seers, the Rebirth, standing above life and death the same.

[serloco]

SO what? I went like undercover into his "evil forum" and read some of his posts. He was talking about helping people have faith and trust as well as promoting his book.. Not something worth killing over.

[Finwe]

So nothing, like what ever was washing us away on the tides of time, pushing us matterly to this very moment of realisation is important, the task we have infront of us for infinity is of the utmost importance in sense of how we relate the field with continuum as we align ourselves with heart as that is eternal of ephemereality, that follow forever and is the warrior's most direct point of reference towards circumstancionality of any energetical intensity, vantage point of absolute focusal fluidity. Because the task individual is doing for infinity is the way of his heart and what warrior has, is reflection between all that, reflected through circumstancial overal being of naturality, primaeval integrity.

[Absyllyon]

Can we not talk about killing. This has nothing to do with standing in the way of another right to draw breath. For me this is an exercise in self stalking etc.
I want to find out on the one hand why I feel so drawn to Lujan , but on the other cannot abide the inconsistencies I see. I am not discussing whether he is a good man or a bad man, but rather the claim of Nagualship and what have you.
Looking back at my experience of the energy field around my body all I can say is that the conditions, emotions, (fear of where my next meal was coming from and all that) etc in my body and around me in the world of people had no impact on me. If I was disrespected I felt barely anything other that a strange understanding and empathy for the person. In a way it was like I was living more inside the energy body than in my physical body. I felt immune to life but very deeply connected to it.
I am no Nagual, so I expect far more than what I experienced at that time from a fully fledged nagual.

[Absyllyon]

Guys, thank you for the chat and the space to look into my experience. I find that I wish to withdraw now and focus on these particular teachings of DJ.
At the end of all this, does what another does really mean anything. They are either acts of power or they are not.
 I lost my power. And who's fault is that. My nagual has power, but my tonal is weak."A warrior has no compassion for anyone. To have compassion means that
you wish the other person to be like you, to be in your shoes, and
you lend a hand just for that purpose. The hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of
course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If
they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not
say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can
afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an
arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone."

"It doesn't matter what anybody says or does. You must be an
impeccable man yourself. The fight is right here in this chest. It
takes all the time and all the energy we have to conquer the idiocy
in us. And that's what matters. The rest is of no importance. To be
an impeccable warrior will give you vigor and youth and power.     

I have taught you to be dispassionate. The world of people goes up
and down and people go up and down with their world; as sorcerers we
have no business following them in their ups and downs. The art of
sorcerers is to be outside everything and be unnoticeable. And more
than anything else, the art of sorcerers is never to waste their
power.     

* * *     

We hold the images of the world with our attention. Let your
attention go from the images of the world. If you don't focus your
attention on the world, the world collapses. Instead of fighting to
focus, let go of the images by gazing fixedly at distant hills, or by
gazing at water, like a river, or by gazing at the clouds.     

If you gaze with your eyes open, you get dizzy and the eyes get
tired, but if you half-close them and blink a lot and move them from
mountain to mountain, or from cloud to cloud, you can look for
hours.     

As I've told you, the tonal and the nagual
are two different worlds. In one you talk, in the other you act. At
first all of us secretly do not want the world of the
nagual . We are afraid and have second thoughts. Our
unbending intent and our impeccability gets us thru
that.     

* * *     

Everyone can see , and yet we choose not to remember
what we see .     

* * *     

With our attention we can hold the images of a dream in the same way
we hold the images of the world. The art of the dreamer
is the art of attention.     

* * *     

Your reason is the demon that keeps you chained. You
have to vanquish it if you want to achieve the realization of my
teachings. The issue, therefore, has been how to vanquish your
reason . By reason I don't mean the
capacity for comprehending, inferring or thinking, in an orderly,
rational way. To me reason means attention."

[Gugeyewalker]

It has always been my view that a paradox about Castaneda is that his teacher taught him why real and successful naguals can NOT be gurus.

The spirit selects the apprentice, and all other encounters with others. If Castaneda was at the end of the line, then all of those apprentices that he chose and developed relationships with were doomed to fail, as he would have been acting as a guru, he cannot have any apprentices to continue his lineage. The new lineages (if they are to come) will require naguals that have their own spark and bonafide knowledge. They WONT make much noise, lead massive workshops, or draw attention to themselves. We're proabably talking about decades of real development and work, and even then - I often have my doubts that any new cycle is to get started at all, maybe it won't come for another century or two.

That being said, the energetic configuration of nagual does not necessarily mean that person is more powerful, wise, or even has superior leadership skills. It could merely be the person that pulls everyone together, in spite of his or her flaws, and carries the group forward. Leadership 101 is that it is the individuals in the group that collectively give the leader his impetus, no the other way around.

You won't find a real teacher or nagual until the spirit arranges the appointment. Spirit transcends ego and self-importance.

NOW - if you are walking down a street, turn a corner, and run smack dab into someone that knocks you both to the ground, you have a conversation, shake hands, the moment you touch there is a dust devil swirling through the street...that is something else. An encounter like that cannot really be ignored. It may well be a dead-end, but you also cannot ignore the possibility that those were omens setup by spirit.

Anyone that advertises themselves as a nagual - I run from. Instead of proclaiming to be naguals, why don't they actually demonstrate?

I am reminded of my kung fu instructor. He entered the room and never demanded discipline, suddenly the room would get serious and quiet, as if ready to work and learn. We said 'yes Sifu' because we felt compelled to. We pay attention because if we were doing a technique wrong we would get knocked to the floor when the application was demonstrated, and demonstrated very well.

Where are the Naguals? I've not met one, no one has demonstrated to me that they are, and the spirit has not made the arrangement.

That is why I never bothered to seek out Castaneda himself or any of the cleargreen crew, as a friend of mine once did. There was nothing that subliminal stirred me to do so. I also would be in with another cult-like group that practically worshiped Castaneda rather than making their own story. If I am to find my nagual, there wont be much I can do to avoid it. And if it happens, I doubt it will be a case of drunken devotion, but more a sober mood of 'let's get down to business'.

Spirit chooses warriors as well. People who 'want' to be warriors or sorcerors or whatever are cracked. We become warriors, seers, or sorcerors due to circumstances that don't give us a damn choice. We do or die. You may-well be one of the 'cracked' ones, but maybe these words will strike a chord with 'someone'.

"I am no Nagual, so I expect far more than what I experienced at that time from a fully fledged nagual."

But why? A fully fledged nagual may well crush you far more than any 'fake' one. The nagual certainly would if you had any expectations whatsoever, since expectations aren't worth much more than used toilet paper. And why declare you are not a nagual?? You might be - that's not a compliment.

I would love to say that I am a 'man of action' in the same way Don Genaro was, mostly due to really feeling something like tentacles coming out from the gap (midsection), and it's so much easier to lift things when I imagine their use. Until I am able to tumble around or use them to leap 30 feet at a time, I don't feel justified in making that proclamation, because I can't, at least not that I know of lol. Best I can do is stay aware of it, but also that it may well be a delusional folly.

And if all the stories about naguals are even half-true, they would be able to demonstrate something. I doubt this Lujan Matus (funny he chose such an obvious Castanadian name for marketing purposes, what a fraud, that alone gives him away) can demonstrate a damn thing.

[Gugeyewalker]

Whats with the fucking gloves? LMAO Also...notice how he has rolled up his sleeves to show off his tattoos and pratcilally non-existant musculature...

Dude you totally got suckered
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[Gugeyewalker]

This is all very easy to fake, so dark...he should meet james randi


Get a little sobriety mmkay?

He might as well be this dude here:

[Gugeyewalker]

Take your power back...you might do it in dreaming, might do it in recapitulation, or you might do it fully awake in a heightened state of awareness...
Serloco talks about his 'sorcery' all the time. Its really not hard to psychicly, harm, invade, rape, heal, or take energy from someone with the right attention - I believe I can verify at least some of his experiences for lil'serloc from when I was younger lol. BUT it is not an assault if it is in fact your energy you are taking back. I've been on both ends of this energy exchange myself.

Our thoughts drift to others, and if and when you have taken your energy back you'll get a sense of peace and closure on the situation. Once while at work I actually heard/felt one such person practically tell me from afar, "You know, its okay and I've let it go." He had intentionally taken his energy back and given me back mine...brought a smile to my face. We go our separate ways serenely.

It really is okay, you can let it go.