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Gugeyewalker, thanks for taking your time to respond. It is helpful and I am taking action. I have not been able to until just recently because I could not even focus for a few seconds at a time whilst gazing or any of the other exercises, never mind having energy for dreaming or recapitulation. Thanks for the encouragement.
I said I am no Nagual because I hope I am not one. It has crossed my mind a few time when I look back at my childhood - but perhaps I was just a born leader at that time. I don't care for it at all. I just meant that I expected to feel the presence of a nagual and observe in his being that he is not like other men. That he would not be disturbed by them, by been disrespected or what not like I was able to do, yet I saw cracks.
I recon I have come across a nagual in the body once. Even 10 years later I am left with the impression of dark matter with lightening bolts coming out of it. This guys presence was actually quite scary. It is something reminiscent of Lone Wolfs' dreaming body, except this guy was in his physical body.
Regarding the tentacle thing - does it feel anything like an energetic contraction between two poles ( sternum and perineum) that produce an energetic discharge. I mean in the beginning before the tentacle develop. If so, how do you develop the tentacles. I presume it is much like doing dead-lift - you practice the dead-lift to do dead-lift.I have used this long ago and noticed changes in the tonal a few days later. I have also used it in dreaming to get rid of dreamers that were pestering me.
Theun Mares and some of his apprentices used to follow me around in dreaming and pester me. On one occasion he actually ran and jumped at me, flying through the air and diving straight into my thigh - just like in the matrix movies, except this was before the first movie came out. I used this method to eject him. I don't do it much anymore because it is very taxing energetically.
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Gugeyguy you should learn to let go of your feelings and past more easily. I see you hold onto your feelings of pity and importance when you refer to me in a lowly manner. You can refer to me in anyway but you should be aware that you are projecting personal history and hurt. I am way past that moment now, fluid and free, you should learn to let go of your 'wounds', or at least not show them.
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serloco wrote:Gugeyguy you should learn to let go of your feelings and past more easily. I see you hold onto your feelings of pity and importance when you refer to me in a lowly manner. You can refer to me in anyway but you should be aware that you are projecting personal history and hurt. I am way past that moment now, fluid and free, you should learn to let go of your 'wounds', or at least not show them.oH LAUGH it off mad-carniverous-rabbit! ((serloco))
I said I verfied some of your experiences, what more do you want? Sheesh
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Abs,
The sensation of having tentacles is strongest when my body is in good shape and I have a lot of vitality, and it's just been something that has gradually gotten stronger over the years.
"does it feel anything like an energetic contraction between two poles ( sternum and perineum) that produce an energetic discharge?"
Hmm, Nope. But I have always felt something like a space-warping bubble of energy about 6-7 inches in diameter down there.
The masculinity series of passes seems to really make me feel them. Also, Hung Ga kung fu (derived from southern shaolin) uses a combination of breathing and flexing excercizes where all emphasis is centered on the Dan Tien (same position of the gap).
And yes when I lift wieghts its easier when I imagine tentacles wrapping tightly around whatever I've got and assisting (like an invisible spotter).
Sometimes when I am drifting off to sleep I get flashes or visions of tentacles doing funny things, like ripping a 2 x 4 from the porch, or crushing a coffee cup lol...
Again - I remain agnostic (I really am a skeptic), and keep the idea of the tentacles because its fun, however if it turns out that its all in my head, well thats ok. It is at least a very nice cognitive device to help me do physical things.
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Absyllyon said Theun Mares and some of his apprentices used to follow me around in
dreaming and pester me. On one occasion he actually ran and jumped at
me, flying through the air and diving straight into my thigh - just like
in the matrix movies, except this was before the first movie came out. I
used this method to eject him. I don't do it much anymore because it is
very taxing energetically.
The hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of
course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If
they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not
say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can
afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an
arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone."
"It doesn't matter what anybody says or does. You must be an
impeccable man yourself. The fight is right here in this chest. It
takes all the time and all the energy we have to conquer the idiocy
in us. And that's what matters. The rest is of no importance. To be
an impeccable warrior will give you vigor and youth and power.
I have taught you to be dispassionate. The world of people goes up
and down and people go up and down with their world; as sorcerers we
have no business following them in their ups and downs. The art of
sorcerers is to be outside everything and be unnoticeable. And more
than anything else, the art of sorcerers is never to waste their
power.
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Gugeyewalker The masculinity series of passes seems to really make me feel them.
Also, Hung Ga kung fu (derived from southern shaolin) uses a combination
of breathing and flexing excercizes where all emphasis is centered on
the Dan Tien (same position of the gap).
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Yes, I get that it bores the **** out of everyone. Posted emoticons reveal a need to defend, a need to say something
"It takes all the time and energy to conqueror all the idiocy in us."
But first we have to see this idiocy. We have to be the first ****.
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i'm not trying to prove myself, just be myself.. you sounded bitter, thats all, you don't now and that is good. i mean no ill will.
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Absyllyon wrote:
Regarding the tentacle thing - does it feel anything like an energetic contraction between two poles ( sternum and perineum) that produce an energetic discharge. I mean in the beginning before the tentacle develop. If so, how do you develop the tentacles. I presume it is much like doing dead-lift - you practice the dead-lift to do dead-lift.
I have used this long ago and noticed changes in the tonal a few days later. I have also used it in dreaming to get rid of dreamers that were pestering me.
Getting off-topic from the OP but since you are already sorta following the thread thought I would comment, since thanks to Finwe found this quote that might clear things up.
"Will belongs to the wheel of time. It is something like the runner of a vine, or an intangible tentacle which all of us possess. A warrior's final aim is to learn to focus it on the wheel of time in order to make it turn. Warriors who have succeeded in turning the wheel of time can gaze into any furrow and draw from it whatever they desire. To be trapped compulsorily in one furrow of time entails seeing the images of that furrow only as they recede. To be free from the spellbinding force of those grooves means that one can look in either direction, as images recede or as they approach."
From the eagle's gift??
Anyway so it could mean that everyone has a tentacle like feature that is Will. And the 'man of action' classification has more tentacles than most - like 3-5 . So then a nagual may also have 'a tentacle', or maybe 2! lol - what a silly thought. Maybe there should be another word for it...in the same way I prefer 'glob of energy' to luminous sphere lol - a sphere and egg is so...geometric, whereas a 'glob' is more intangible yet allows for more complexity. Seeing the 'tentacle' would really help us out here.
And yes, how to develop it , I mean really develop it, is a good question. Perhaps it is just a matter of saving energy and cultivating intent.
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If you perceive will as a tentacle then a tentacle you will perceive, it is anything imaginable however, it can be perceived into any shape or form.
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NO....
Real seeing is not whatever you happen to imagine or percieve, it is percieving the essence of something. If I say that I am percieving something like a tentacle, and someone else comes along and says 'yeh i feel something like a tentacle too', and in the Castaneda books there is something like a tentacle, although his perception may vary by degrees, the core of the real seeing is the same - its an Energetic Fact. Imagination can only go so far. It's great for helping to visualize, coneptualize, or come to an explanation.
The essence of something is the essence of something which is the essence of something. Imagining something does NOT always make it real.
I am not interested in making my imagination reality. I am more interested in reality itself, though it may have an impact on imagination.
This is why I would like to someday see real seers do some real 'seeing work' in groups. One person may see something, while 4 others see nothing of the sort - so this is the exploration part. Was the oddball vision a product of mere imagination or delusin? thats the question, so the other 4 seers focus on that vision to find out if there is something there or if it was a mere phantasm. If there is nothing there, well I'm sorry mr 5th seer, as much as you'd like to think its real - it AINT REAL. You're imagining it or misinterpreting it, or just trying to make yourself look important.
OH BUT WAIT!!!! The tentacle the will - also may manifest your imagination - HOT DAMN thank your Serloco!
So if your intent or will is strong enough, and you manifest your wild imagination - you might be able to manifest a lil-black kitteh. Which I can imagine you might wanna do for some really wierd reason.
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I worked really hard to find a demonstration online of some excersise that might engage the will - this is the only one I can really find that isn;t full of distracting bullshit...
The original Shaolin certainly knew 'something'.
You may perceive an energetic imprint burnt into this video. If you start by just imagining (yes we are imagining) a point of luminosity at the point just below the navel on this guy and focus on that, could you feel or see something, and what would you feel?
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Sure, seeing is seeing, but in truth it is not tentacle like at all. SO there.
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Yes there are 'lines' of the intent and will, but these are not what i would call tentacles, but yes words could call them as such, but i find it misleading.
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"'Learn to see, and then you'll know there is no end to the new worlds of our vision."
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The word tentacle is like an octopus or squid, some living creature appendage. Intent and will is nothing like that when you see, however if you dream that or put your perception in that form then you would experience it as such. They are best defined as lines that extend from the midsection and these lines, as defiined by Genero can attach onto things, change things and do pretty much anything. I understand how one could define them as tentacles but I do not like it, it brings to mind insects and aliens whereas that is not accurate in my perception. When I see these lines I call them lines.
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I remember once in the iob world I imagined my will in different forms coming from my belly. In that world I knew that the iobs could see the too, and yet did not know what they were, making them move into that position. I remember shifting away fro it and then accidently conjured them in front of a lady who saw them, much like a tentacle yes and she said to me looking "what is that!?" I was trying to hide myself then and so didn't respond to her inquiry and just kinda let it slide. I quickly changed y percpetion so that no alien energy was protruding from myself.
ANother time I manifested the "Carlos head shape" protruding my head. I remember using ti to stop a car from moving while in front of someone, a girl, and she got scared of me and covered her eyes! I am careful now which perception to use and what is visible to others or not.
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OK than thats fine - so on some level we definately have a consensus there. You prefer NOT to refer to it as a tentacle - the same as I prefer to often refer to energy cocoon as an energy 'glob' lol....
As long as we are both 'seeing' it for what it is...I agree entirely with you.
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Except for one thing. Maybe it is just my imagination but hwen I am drifting to sleep in that 'inbetween' state I have a sorta of vision of it coming out and 'grabbing; stuff, as if wrapping itself around objects.
So of course it wouldnt look like an octopus tentacle, however it seems very tentacle-like to me. I also feel what you say about the straight lines too....so...
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The thing is we all have these lines, every time you think of someone or something it actually connects to your 'target' however average people can not utilize these lines. You have to learn how to use with volition your intent and once you do that you can begin using them i different ways, directly.
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Perhaps the arcing between the two poles that produce an energetic pulse or pressure wave, outwards or inwards is something different, though I have beckoned different outcomes with it in the past. Not anything physical, more subtle changes in the interactions in my environment.
I also don't particularly like the tentacle terminology either, as it sounds to amphibian/ alien to me. It is kinda creepy. In saying that I have felt tentacle like movement down there which feels very foreign. I don't remember consciously using it, though when I have felt it, it felt like it was about 4 inches long and there was only 1.
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The thing is we all have these lines, every time you think of someone or
something it actually connects to your 'target' however average people
can not utilize these lines-serloco
he hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are.
It brings new meaning to how difficult it is to let others be, if we are connecting with the slightest thought.
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Your thought is crafted by you, and thus intended. If you intend not to effect people then that is the line you create.
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Just the act of 'supporting' is an intent that effects in order to support.
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I understand the 'creepy aversion' to tentacles lol....
It reminds me of figuring out I have a particular weird looking organ that I didn't know I had. The lines are another matter, no idea how it really connects or relates.
Its jsut exploration of the nagual no matter how creepy in might be
Im not going to fondle anyone with my creepy tentacle so dont worry!!! I think lujan matus may have molested that poor flower with his creepy tentacle though
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