The New Seers?

[Billy]

For days a farmer sees a crazy ass boy pass by waving his arms wildly.

Curious, he goes to the roadside.

The boy is waving pieces of chicken wire.

The farmer asks about this.

The boy tells him it is to catch chickens.

The farmer laughs, "You can't get chickens with that."

But the boy passes an hour later with a chicken under each arm.

The farmer again goes to the roadside the next day.

THe boy is waving pieces of duct tape.

The farmer asks about this.

The boy tells him it is to catch ducks.

The farmer rails, "You can't get ducks with that."

But the boy passes an hour later with a duck under each arm.

The farmer anxiuosly awaits the next day.

The boy is wildly waving **** willows.

The farmer starts to ask- instead exclaims in excitation,

"Wait for me!!!     I'll go get my jacket!"

[Billy]

I'm changing gears here, and going to the obverse of self-shame > PRIDE.  Oh yeah,
   Pride is a commitment to reason and high self-evaluation.  If there is such a thing as virtue, then pride is the sum of them all.  (reflecting zen)

[Billy]

Bodhidharma> Zen> is about Emptiness

I am empirically familiar with emptiness, but in passive subjectivity, whereas serloco knows that and the active state.

He shows the extension outward of empty void is not separate from passivity. Further, he has studied and taken chances.

[Billy]

Many descriptions I posit are but a disposition that I cultivate.  However, I do touch these temperaments often, and they touch me in return; this is real, and effective.

[Billy]

I want you know JJ, I was teasing and lighthearted in RF. 

  I want persons here to understand I am 'straight' and discreet publicly.  When I share a perverse quirk, it is from an entirely anonymous platform.  I wrote my book with a pen name-- though it would not bother me much to disclose anything really.

   The idea I am trying to convey, is that whatever is perceptually possible to you needs to be experienced without the effect of uncomfortable self-judgement.  If there are thoughts you 'must' avoid, you are fighting an uphill battle.  Full acquiescence of your own personality is central to detachment further on in claiming one's freedom.
    CAN'T AVOID--MUST FACE YOUR SELF AND LAUGH A LOT

[Billy]

Enlightenment is wholeness and easiness in one's body.  Detachment should be a simple and pragmatic practice, not a mystical one. The results are mystical enough.

I believe in GOD, really. I don't adhere to limited theism. The fruits of life, the
cosmos, the molestations, the wars, the violence, the goodness, the 'sins,' the religions,
the atheism, the love, the hatred, the unknown, the science, the tolerance, the
intolerance... EVERYTHING is GOD.

I say nothing here--so---GOD is nothing----unless you talk to serloco-------he knows GOD.
Funny, ... if serloco knows GOD, and GOD is nothing...  serloco knows nothing.

Ask HIM if that's true. (smiles)

[bit shiny]

interesting

when the bottom has fallen out of the barrel and you find yourself there

and then tease that self from its place to place it in place

interesting when you have built upon the fruits

and the fruits have led you into the sky

is it the same ?

then the fruit would fall from the tree as it was as the tree

then power would be shared

we venture into another awareness deviating from the one focused

yet have then forgotten the whole of where one is and has come

seeing and being

and doings

is gravity a good/bad thing

if doing away with distinction have you first cleaned the house

and if you have what then lives there

it takes fire to merge with the sky

symbolically bucket of fresh water

birthed of two sides

and seed

jungle and your own genius ? hilarious and tragic

circular thinking also

grace and gratitude

laws

the peaceful only for so long

what happens when existing spaces overlap

one theory falls into the sea and the sky sees

[bit shiny]

cohesion / orbits

[Billy]

I've cleaned, but yuk, its's dirty out there. 
bit shiny- you are the elements and fruitiness (double entendre). 

Power ? ? 

Do you mean the harvest from existential duality? 

Piss on that > best ask serloco > he reaps from that endless abode.

Don't you know?

Words used to illuminate 'cohesion' are redundancy.

Sometimes I forget I'm alone.

Who is bit shiny?

[bit shiny]

then its loose translation you seek

so you will have no trouble to locate

there was a crab by the water today

did spirit lead you that way

a school of fish and another

teeming with life

and why to put pearls before swine ?

spirit led me this way

when i was a little fish in my waterhole

bit shiny who is that is who that is

hows your water hole

is it teeming with life

did spirit lead you there

like the spirit that led me there

in the loose translation

stop teaching said the teacher

how to stop teaching when i am not the teacher then

who knows from where the fish come and go

i try not to bite the other fish

sometimes it is hard

regrets we've had a few

if you dropped kindness on the door step you might find a stranger picked it up and placed the case back down

you might find the case gone

in that case you might be gone

i am gone

hello to the bears

like the frog or the crab in the net

so gone

perhaps i will wander past your step again soon

i have no place of my own to place the bag except where i roam and i roam around in the forest

i doubt you would find me in those trees though

and also the water is quite capable of speaking fire with the wind so don't be concerned

whats said and what not and whats left on the door step

like the wind

[Billy]

Understand, I know you exist.

I just don't care too much about it,

but a smile is a smile.

[Billy]

Since I'm here on forum, I either do care or I'm an ostentateous fool self-teaching.  I happen to know it's the latter.

[Billy]

Awww.  I do care about you serloco.  Poor thinger thing.

I'll pretend harder.

[bit shiny]

i honestly don't know how every body would not have an opinion to share on the subject

i believe it something like this

once upon a time a description was given "something like this"

knowledge is a thing that will become a non thing and you will accept it as it is perfectly sound in theory do you understand ?

bear speaking to frog ........... you mean i am really not a bear any more ?

frog speaks back to bear

listen to your inner voice

what is it saying .................

bear says i want to swim in stream and eat a fish

frog says ribbit

man says i am in the sky

i am the earth

i am the void

i am this i am that

but most of all remember ................. i don't exist !

asks for agreement from frog

frog stares into pond sees fish sees bear sees pond sees human

blinks for a moment and it all dissappears


then agrees with human saying ribbit !

bear gets tired and lays down to dream about what frog and human point at

then when frog un blinks again gets squashed by bear !

human was trapped in reflection in pond so when bear woke up bear chased/ate human

another human walked by and saw the whole thing transpire and wrote it down

and just repeated it from a perspective outside the melee and knowledge unknowledge

bear ate another fish

it is probably wise to have a teacher point out where bears may be hungry and boisterous

[Billy]

Leaving nothing to chance > (no pretending) > I intend simbiotic friendship Derek, and conceptual difference somewhere between slim and none.

[Billy]

bear > Arrrrrrr Arrrrrrr

frog > ribbit ribbit

billy > eat me

[Billy]

bit shiny- knowledge is a thing that will become a non thing and you will accept it as it is perfectly sound in theory do you understand ?

of course I do, but I have no bucket of fresh water, so how can my fire meet the limitless?

I am saca-billy preachy because of this, but not forever.  You are  welcome here, so why is it my flip remarks quiet you?

I am not as dense as the forest you work in.   Still, I'm so full of my own lies the knowledge I understand cannot become empirical. 

You do know this apparently.  

I am working smarter bit by bit (pun even)

[Billy]

bit shiny- knowledge is a thing that will become a non thing and you will accept it as it is perfectly sound in theory do you understand ?

of course I do, but I have no bucket of fresh water, so how can my fire meet the limitless?

I am saca-billy preachy because of this, but not forever.  You are  welcome here, so why is it my flip remarks quiet you?

I am not as dense as the forest you work in.   Still, I'm so full of my own lies, and the knowledge I understand cannot become empirical. 

You do know this apparently.  

I am working smarter bit by bit (pun even bit shiny)

ADD:When I refer to lies; I mean to say I LOVE and DESIRE the dream, the illusion. 
bit shiny is selling ZEN ENLIGHTENMENT.

I am opening the door here a 'bit' to bit shiny

[Billy]

I am enamored with i disdain for a while.

[Billy]

bit shiny- knowledge is a thing that will become a non thing and you will accept it as it is perfectly sound in theory do you understand ?

of course I do, but I have no bucket of fresh water, so how can my fire meet the limitless?

I am saca-billy preachy because of this, but not forever.  You are  welcome here, so why is it my flip remarks quiet you?

I am not as dense as the forest you work in.   Still, I'm so full of my own lies, and the knowledge I understand cannot become empirical. 

You do know this apparently.  

I am working smarter bit by bit (pun even bit shiny)

ADD:When I refer to lies; I mean to say I LOVE and DESIRE the dream, the illusion. 
{bit shiny is promoting ZEN ENLIGHTENMENT}

I am opening the door here a 'bit' bit shiny.

[bit shiny]

as for bears

in the night and day sky swapping suits one for another

even bears have their place

fresh water the bear chases

or salt water the bear drinks

screws up face i don't know zen

at one time bears crossing sights

whats in your sights

a bear gets grumpy when a bear is awakened yet wants still for sleep

so is it bear awakened or sleep

they cross in the night sky and they cross in the day

if the awakened bear was not one wholy not two wholy not three wholy today

forget of one froget of two forget of three

and begin to see

all three one two and three

bear in the sky bear asleep and bear awake

now if bear does not see then bear cannot become all three

bear chasing one bear chasing two bear refers to three yet bear must see

bear is chasing bear one two three

now see what i am seeing

they passed in the night sky they pass in the day

they never ever separate and now they stay

it was not as though one was here or there and never did they play

and as they all reside here then no getting away

frog wants to speak so bear to understand

there is no here and there only cohesion and orbits perforating the way

so is it bear or frog :

actually both

bear to make fire in water knowing what it does

frog knows much but bear must pull the tug

to here to there and every where

inside outside and all around

yet fresh water inside must be found

its out and in yet it wont be found

unless bear hears perforated frog sound

[Billy]

I say thank you bit shiny

silly billy found his fresh water

[Billy]

Thank you bit shiny

I found my fresh water where it always is

[Mornings Son]

OUTSTANDING STORY !!!!
thank you bit shiny ))))
i honestly don't know how every body would not have an opinion to share on the subject

i believe it something like this 

once upon a time a description was given "something like this"

knowledge is a thing that will become a non thing and you will accept it as it is perfectly sound in theory do you understand ?

bear speaking to frog ........... you mean i am really not a bear any more ?

frog speaks back to bear 
listen to your inner voice 

what is it saying .................

bear says i want to swim in stream and eat a fish 

frog says ribbit 

man says i am in the sky 

i am the earth 

i am the void 

i am this i am that 

but most of all remember ................. i don't exist !

asks for agreement from frog 
frog stares into pond sees fish sees bear sees pond sees human 

blinks for a moment and it all dissappears 


then agrees with human saying ribbit ! 

bear gets tired and lays down to dream about what frog and human point at 

then when frog un blinks again gets squashed by bear !

human was trapped in reflection in pond so when bear woke up bear chased/ate human 

another human walked by and saw the whole thing transpire and wrote it down 
and just repeated it from a perspective outside the melee and knowledge unknowledge 

bear ate another fish 

it is probably wise to have a teacher point out where bears may be hungry and boisterous

[Mornings Son]

Last night I encountered the Bear Spirit in a storytelling event.
It was a black bear

Ohei Bear ))))