Time

[NagualHuman]

Its hard to see with a raised shield of recognition and even harder with mind hovering over own person.

Connection with spirit is abstract; uncatchable and unquestionable.

Littlepaw, sorry for that
your answer is the first line in this post - to the post there and to that in the other thread.

[NagualHuman]

Death extinguish awareness; thus make space for something else or blank space, life fills the space, none of those two forces has anything to do with fluidity. Only thing that has to do with fluidity is a balance; more precisely said jumping from one side to another.

Sorcerer study nagual for perpetuating death and tonal for perpetuating life and vice versa, in reality sorcerer strives to delete almost whole tonal a 99% of it, that what remains is only link with spirit; Time same as matter as do the holy glorious things like divination etc. serves only as a food for sheeps. When sorcerer stops the world; time; silences the dialogue she gains acces to both sides of time, meaning of words and gateways of worlds; it's important to know about the 8th and 9th through which is the time appearing, as words through 1th and 2nd and worlds through 3rd and 4th; 5th is double(in means of  synchronical experiences); 6th - reason and 7th will.

Beign petty means self-importance, when you give value to something - emotion or an disrupted reasoning status(ego), in this case time, you are standing it on piedestal or somewhere, that is where my first comment lead, good stalker would recognize that I ment it as a joke and still do, as a stalker also knows that he himself is the Whole Time.

I never said anything about that beign fool makes you unworthy or anything else, I myself am one,
so noone can blame me for seeing me that way,
that only shows how foolishly, they are stationed within themselves, there is nothing more deadly than seriousness.

If I somehow disrupted you, I am sorry I haven't ment it that way, I will be glad if you stop advising and pointing out, screaming "my way"
no one asks for Gurus here on this forum.

[serloco]

I am not 'screaming your way' and sorry if it offends you but your perceptions are off, as are your judgements.

Death is not something that refills your awareness like the description of shrinking the tonal. It is something that consumes your very awareness, all of it. Only a few make it past the Eagle.

You didn't come right out and say it was worthless, but you devalued the entire thread and the concept of learning about time. You also pretty much stated that the human's finds are worthless. I am not a guru as you say it, but i am a seer and that is what i saw, i don't need your exact words to see your awareness in the moment. You just dismissed the whole idea as if it were below you. a self-important stance.

I am not saying that there is not a lot of work to be done on the tonal of our times, meaning that much of it is a waste of time. surely much of it is. But even don Juan said that a stalker learns all he can about the tonal, and everything in the world. Its called gaining awareness. Can you also not gain awareness about a world, or position, and then leave it at the door when you leave? Thats the trick of gaining awareness, selection.

Not everyone hates gurus dude. If someone has valuable knowledge to contribute, or has advice to pull me up from the shadow i surely appreciate it. That is because i can see past my own self-importance, to see there is something greater beyond just myself. People have valuable awareness to contribute, when you listen.

You are the one who throws disgusting insults around, which have nothing to do with the topic. My dick is small? get real.

You also seem to gather to your own conclusions, and then call it a finality. Of course you do realize that often when we reach our conclusions about something there is much more to learn. That's the thing with awareness, you can always expand it and learn more. that is with an open mind. Many times i thought i knew about something just to learn later i was wrong, or that there was more to learn there.

I also never drew the connection to death and fluidity, you did, when you said "I am dead - fluid".
Hate to break it to you but you are very much alive, and not so fluid, as i see it.

If you want to get technical death and life have everything to do with fluidity, as does the rolling force of the eagle which gives and takes awareness from you. Death takes awareness from you, deactivating that awareness and replacing it with new life. This is a fluid process, the leaving behind of the tonal, or death of the tonal, into the unknown of the nagual. You may not call this force death,, which takes the old awareness away, but i do. The two sides of the rolling force are bestowing and removal, life and death. When used effectively together with intent you get motion, fluidity. The big picture that you missed is the total force of death, or the end game moment that death carries out to us. when we are consumed and no more. like i said, not all of us warriors make it past the finish line.

[NagualHuman]

Its hard to see with a raised shield of recognition and even harder with mind hovering over own person.

Connection with spirit is abstract; uncatchable and unquestionable.

Littlepaw, sorry for that
your answer is the first line in this post - to the post there and to that in the other thread.

[NagualHuman]

Death extinguish awareness; thus make space for something else or blank space, life fills the space, none of those two forces has anything to do with fluidity. Only thing that has to do with fluidity is a balance; more precisely said jumping from one side to another.

Sorcerer study nagual for perpetuating death and tonal for perpetuating life and vice versa, in reality sorcerer strives to delete almost whole tonal a 99% of it, that what remains is only link with spirit; Time same as matter as do the holy glorious things like divination etc. serves only as a food for sheeps. When sorcerer stops the world; time; silences the dialogue she gains acces to both sides of time, meaning of words and gateways of worlds; it's important to know about the 8th and 9th through which is the time appearing, as words through 1th and 2nd and worlds through 3rd and 4th; 5th is double(in means of  synchronical experiences); 6th - reason and 7th will.

Beign petty means self-importance, when you give value to something - emotion or an disrupted reasoning status(ego), in this case time, you are standing it on piedestal or somewhere, that is where my first comment lead, good stalker would recognize that I ment it as a joke and still do, as a stalker also knows that he himself is the Whole Time.

I never said anything about that beign fool makes you unworthy or anything else, I myself am one,
so noone can blame me for seeing me that way,
that only shows how foolishly, they are stationed within themselves, there is nothing more deadly than seriousness.

If I somehow disrupted you, I am sorry I haven't ment it that way, I will be glad if you stop advising and pointing out, screaming "my way"
no one asks for Gurus here on this forum.

[serloco]

I am not 'screaming your way' and sorry if it offends you but your perceptions are off, as are your judgements.

Death is not something that refills your awareness like the description of shrinking the tonal. It is something that consumes your very awareness, all of it. Only a few make it past the Eagle.

You didn't come right out and say it was worthless, but you devalued the entire thread and the concept of learning about time. You also pretty much stated that the human's finds are worthless. I am not a guru as you say it, but i am a seer and that is what i saw, i don't need your exact words to see your awareness in the moment. You just dismissed the whole idea as if it were below you. a self-important stance.

I am not saying that there is not a lot of work to be done on the tonal of our times, meaning that much of it is a waste of time. surely much of it is. But even don Juan said that a stalker learns all he can about the tonal, and everything in the world. Its called gaining awareness. Can you also not gain awareness about a world, or position, and then leave it at the door when you leave? Thats the trick of gaining awareness, selection.

Not everyone hates gurus dude. If someone has valuable knowledge to contribute, or has advice to pull me up from the shadow i surely appreciate it. That is because i can see past my own self-importance, to see there is something greater beyond just myself. People have valuable awareness to contribute, when you listen.

You are the one who throws disgusting insults around, which have nothing to do with the topic. My dick is small? get real.

You also seem to gather to your own conclusions, and then call it a finality. Of course you do realize that often when we reach our conclusions about something there is much more to learn. That's the thing with awareness, you can always expand it and learn more. that is with an open mind. Many times i thought i knew about something just to learn later i was wrong, or that there was more to learn there.

I also never drew the connection to death and fluidity, you did, when you said "I am dead - fluid".
Hate to break it to you but you are very much alive, and not so fluid, as i see it.

If you want to get technical death and life have everything to do with fluidity, as does the rolling force of the eagle which gives and takes awareness from you. Death takes awareness from you, deactivating that awareness and replacing it with new life. This is a fluid process, the leaving behind of the tonal, or death of the tonal, into the unknown of the nagual. You may not call this force death,, which takes the old awareness away, but i do. The two sides of the rolling force are bestowing and removal, life and death. When used effectively together with intent you get motion, fluidity. The big picture that you missed is the total force of death, or the end game moment that death carries out to us. when we are consumed and no more. like i said, not all of us warriors make it past the finish line.

[serloco]

You can not belittle an entire world's awareness. You can leave it behind if you have the power, but you are still are going to be around people, and beings of awareness. You have to embrace the unknown quality of these beings, and let go of the past judgements of people. People take many forms and dimensions, and there are many worlds of people. When will you let go of the old world you detest to see the new one that is before you? First you must suspend judgement and allow the moment to be what it is naturally flowing. As it unfolds. It is potential, pure will that is there. You will attachments to the world you hate by constantly judging it. Its become so habituated in you that you have a prejudgement that you cast onto everything, an expectation of continuity. Cohesion. Now imagine that these judgements and expectations cast the world into the form that it is in. Can you control them, and use them as powerful tools of motion?

[Xlyer]

Well said S, one person cant do it alone.The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...

[serloco]

Xlyer wrote:Well said S, one person cant do it alone.
The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...
Thanks, and nice to meet you.

[serloco]

History is cohesion on a position of awareness after it has unfolded. When you change your awareness of what history is you can change history. In a close position of awareness history is the form of the world as we know it, meaning that we have a concrete world that surrounds us, its been there for thousands of years. It has a history. If you look at time as something already created you place yourself there in that time. If you can change your definition of time and the world you can enter into that new perception. If you can see for a moment that life out there is not really there at all yet, you can break the fixation to the concrete world, entering into a 'new dimension'. Your awareness can then guide the alignment of the emanations as they manifest. The emanations gain the fluidity needed to assemble new worlds into alignment. It usually starts with subtle shifts into parallel positions, or twin positions that resemble the world you know closely except for a few details. Change this awareness and you change the world. The trick is reaching a fluid state, or a fluid time.

[NagualHuman]

Don Juan said that stalker is jovial and disconcerned with any values or agendas of the world, understanding that one come to conclusion that time is a bread.

Its about stopping the usual flow, disrupting continuity of agendas we have, only through that one can make any progress, thats the twin position - having a sight from two absolutely different position, applied to time this means that there is none, when you gan parallel position towards time it stops the world.

I dont detest anything, I just give a *** about everything, that allows to simply do whatever **** I wish, I am not saying its right or not.
when we understand that people wants only to be hypnotized, by something seemingly great and that reality everyone is just a sheep, we gain an understanding of reality that is out of bounds of personal importance, its paradoxical, same as all creation of universe.

"Mastering stalkership means that you would give your last shirt to a stranger and moment after without hesitation you would without remorse kill him for that shirt."

Shadows and Flyers doesnt exist, when we understand that, we unlock the chains of three thousand headed beast, depends on us if we how we gonna deal with a **** big like that.

Time is interconnected with every other aspect of reality, time is one of the biggest aspects from which the dark sea of awareness is made, for that fluidity in means of "values" is only thing that matters. Fluidity is dependant on the speed and disconcern, same as physical fight its still all the same, till the end of the world and time - inner silence.

For me fluidity is state that allows you to jump from edge to edge.

You speak of fluidity allot, can you write something on that topic ? How to perhaps ? Something more practical, you seem to have lot of knowledge so I would be really glad for your insight of this, master sorcerer.

[NagualHuman]

Thought of a shadows and flyers serves as perpetuation of that horrible entity and mainly to the self importance of the people, because when you are not responsible for it, its easier to live with it, the it is whatever you do, but on the otherhand it stucks you onto fear and fight for something that has no value; another paradox.

[serloco]

You can not belittle an entire world's awareness. You can leave it behind if you have the power, but you are still are going to be around people, and beings of awareness. You have to embrace the unknown quality of these beings, and let go of the past judgements of people. People take many forms and dimensions, and there are many worlds of people. When will you let go of the old world you detest to see the new one that is before you? First you must suspend judgement and allow the moment to be what it is naturally flowing. As it unfolds. It is potential, pure will that is there. You will attachments to the world you hate by constantly judging it. Its become so habituated in you that you have a prejudgement that you cast onto everything, an expectation of continuity. Cohesion. Now imagine that these judgements and expectations cast the world into the form that it is in. Can you control them, and use them as powerful tools of motion?

[Xlyer]

Well said S, one person cant do it alone.The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...

[serloco]

Xlyer wrote:Well said S, one person cant do it alone.
The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...
Thanks, and nice to meet you.

[serloco]

History is cohesion on a position of awareness after it has unfolded. When you change your awareness of what history is you can change history. In a close position of awareness history is the form of the world as we know it, meaning that we have a concrete world that surrounds us, its been there for thousands of years. It has a history. If you look at time as something already created you place yourself there in that time. If you can change your definition of time and the world you can enter into that new perception. If you can see for a moment that life out there is not really there at all yet, you can break the fixation to the concrete world, entering into a 'new dimension'. Your awareness can then guide the alignment of the emanations as they manifest. The emanations gain the fluidity needed to assemble new worlds into alignment. It usually starts with subtle shifts into parallel positions, or twin positions that resemble the world you know closely except for a few details. Change this awareness and you change the world. The trick is reaching a fluid state, or a fluid time.

[NagualHuman]

Don Juan said that stalker is jovial and disconcerned with any values or agendas of the world, understanding that one come to conclusion that time is a bread.

Its about stopping the usual flow, disrupting continuity of agendas we have, only through that one can make any progress, thats the twin position - having a sight from two absolutely different position, applied to time this means that there is none, when you gan parallel position towards time it stops the world.

I dont detest anything, I just give a *** about everything, that allows to simply do whatever **** I wish, I am not saying its right or not.
when we understand that people wants only to be hypnotized, by something seemingly great and that reality everyone is just a sheep, we gain an understanding of reality that is out of bounds of personal importance, its paradoxical, same as all creation of universe.

"Mastering stalkership means that you would give your last shirt to a stranger and moment after without hesitation you would without remorse kill him for that shirt."

Shadows and Flyers doesnt exist, when we understand that, we unlock the chains of three thousand headed beast, depends on us if we how we gonna deal with a **** big like that.

Time is interconnected with every other aspect of reality, time is one of the biggest aspects from which the dark sea of awareness is made, for that fluidity in means of "values" is only thing that matters. Fluidity is dependant on the speed and disconcern, same as physical fight its still all the same, till the end of the world and time - inner silence.

For me fluidity is state that allows you to jump from edge to edge.

You speak of fluidity allot, can you write something on that topic ? How to perhaps ? Something more practical, you seem to have lot of knowledge so I would be really glad for your insight of this, master sorcerer.

[NagualHuman]

Thought of a shadows and flyers serves as perpetuation of that horrible entity and mainly to the self importance of the people, because when you are not responsible for it, its easier to live with it, the it is whatever you do, but on the otherhand it stucks you onto fear and fight for something that has no value; another paradox.

[serloco]

You can not belittle an entire world's awareness. You can leave it behind if you have the power, but you are still are going to be around people, and beings of awareness. You have to embrace the unknown quality of these beings, and let go of the past judgements of people. People take many forms and dimensions, and there are many worlds of people. When will you let go of the old world you detest to see the new one that is before you? First you must suspend judgement and allow the moment to be what it is naturally flowing. As it unfolds. It is potential, pure will that is there. You will attachments to the world you hate by constantly judging it. Its become so habituated in you that you have a prejudgement that you cast onto everything, an expectation of continuity. Cohesion. Now imagine that these judgements and expectations cast the world into the form that it is in. Can you control them, and use them as powerful tools of motion?

[Xlyer]

Well said S, one person cant do it alone.The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...

[serloco]

Xlyer wrote:Well said S, one person cant do it alone.
The gears in time are an easy place to get lost in.
im still working on my self importance, its tough.
And im lazy, ***...
Thanks, and nice to meet you.

[serloco]

History is cohesion on a position of awareness after it has unfolded. When you change your awareness of what history is you can change history. In a close position of awareness history is the form of the world as we know it, meaning that we have a concrete world that surrounds us, its been there for thousands of years. It has a history. If you look at time as something already created you place yourself there in that time. If you can change your definition of time and the world you can enter into that new perception. If you can see for a moment that life out there is not really there at all yet, you can break the fixation to the concrete world, entering into a 'new dimension'. Your awareness can then guide the alignment of the emanations as they manifest. The emanations gain the fluidity needed to assemble new worlds into alignment. It usually starts with subtle shifts into parallel positions, or twin positions that resemble the world you know closely except for a few details. Change this awareness and you change the world. The trick is reaching a fluid state, or a fluid time.

[NagualHuman]

Don Juan said that stalker is jovial and disconcerned with any values or agendas of the world, understanding that one come to conclusion that time is a bread.

Its about stopping the usual flow, disrupting continuity of agendas we have, only through that one can make any progress, thats the twin position - having a sight from two absolutely different position, applied to time this means that there is none, when you gan parallel position towards time it stops the world.

I dont detest anything, I just give a *** about everything, that allows to simply do whatever **** I wish, I am not saying its right or not.
when we understand that people wants only to be hypnotized, by something seemingly great and that reality everyone is just a sheep, we gain an understanding of reality that is out of bounds of personal importance, its paradoxical, same as all creation of universe.

"Mastering stalkership means that you would give your last shirt to a stranger and moment after without hesitation you would without remorse kill him for that shirt."

Shadows and Flyers doesnt exist, when we understand that, we unlock the chains of three thousand headed beast, depends on us if we how we gonna deal with a **** big like that.

Time is interconnected with every other aspect of reality, time is one of the biggest aspects from which the dark sea of awareness is made, for that fluidity in means of "values" is only thing that matters. Fluidity is dependant on the speed and disconcern, same as physical fight its still all the same, till the end of the world and time - inner silence.

For me fluidity is state that allows you to jump from edge to edge.

You speak of fluidity allot, can you write something on that topic ? How to perhaps ? Something more practical, you seem to have lot of knowledge so I would be really glad for your insight of this, master sorcerer.

[NagualHuman]

Thought of a shadows and flyers serves as perpetuation of that horrible entity and mainly to the self importance of the people, because when you are not responsible for it, its easier to live with it, the it is whatever you do, but on the otherhand it stucks you onto fear and fight for something that has no value; another paradox.

[serloco]

You can not belittle an entire world's awareness. You can leave it behind if you have the power, but you are still are going to be around people, and beings of awareness. You have to embrace the unknown quality of these beings, and let go of the past judgements of people. People take many forms and dimensions, and there are many worlds of people. When will you let go of the old world you detest to see the new one that is before you? First you must suspend judgement and allow the moment to be what it is naturally flowing. As it unfolds. It is potential, pure will that is there. You will attachments to the world you hate by constantly judging it. Its become so habituated in you that you have a prejudgement that you cast onto everything, an expectation of continuity. Cohesion. Now imagine that these judgements and expectations cast the world into the form that it is in. Can you control them, and use them as powerful tools of motion?