Sorcery experiences

[Billy]

T'was just a cloud of moody pout- I didn't eat my snickers,,,,,  ...

[Billy]

so things were loooking bleak in the ordinary way... but I'm disinclined to be ordinary... and I have my serloco.
beyond me and speak life --- you made me laugh today

[serloco]

Laugh it up bitchy boy.. lol.. jk.. You and your antiGod, I WILL MAKE YOU SEE THE LIGHT!!!

[Billy]

I'm tired of explaining myself (smile).  You're supposed to be a mature nagual.  From now on if you get it wrong--tooo bad.

Oh, I actually brought to mind a very positive image of beyond me and speak life.

I mean to say I got high and happy, and got a decent laugh just thinking about how you could convey your points so well empirically.

My stories are always very colorful, even stunning. You had to be there (oh wait, you were there!)

[serloco]

I was just teasing you cuz of your pissyness... And thank you for the compliment.

[serloco]

i figure its time for an update on my sorcery. this is the first time i lived with a woman in over 5 years and so my sorcery has been kind of shoved to the side for awhile while lmy attention has been on her. We broke it off but she is still living with me and fucking me. For another month or so. On the upside I decided to continue my attention of sorcery and discontinue my realtionships on such a personal level. I picked up two more girls now that I am single again but I am holding back now and returning to m sorcery while I let them more into it themselves and not separate from it. I figure I can do both and just do my sorcery magic around someone else and not just alone. I have shown people magic and tricks of the skies and many things but not in awhile since i left the iob world. Thsi girl was supposed to be a mainly average human being and so that is what I dreamed with her. That and a little Goddess potential inside of her. She dreamed with my a couple of songs and one of them she made herself which was good but the whole "average girl thing" didnt work. I didnt like it much. I want my girls to be with me in mind and body, follwoing my awareness and being a seeress. I guess i prefer inorganic women to average humans. I can shift them into each ohter actually now but I think my decision to break it off wth her was right when it comes to my sorcery. I will just start anew in a new and unformed relationship and I found a medium girl who sees things other people dont see and talks and works with spirits but is afraid of them for now. She has power to alter machines and stuff too and she told me all of this in the first date. SHe is cray in other words, exactly how i like them to be. Crazy like me and also into the power. So I am seeking this girl avidly but also focusing on external items of my dream. Like tonight the thunder was asnwering me and when I would think it was gone and be sad it woudl answer me with a rumble like it used to do for me whe I learned how to alter things. Learned how to stlk things and have the item of my dream change into something else. SOmething new and better. Like thunder that listens to you and answers your thoughts and will let you hook your attention to it to mke it longer and longer and seemingly whatever you focus onto it to be.. I am also getting my catering down to science. WHen I am not interested in a girl then she does all the work in ending it or making sure it stops exactly where i want it to stop. SOmething I learned a lil while ago. You could say thy just feel the chemistry and are acting on it but then that woulnt hold much power would it. why not say it is the women of reality catering to your dreams and desires? Doesnt that sound better? Yes I am loco but I am Serloco. ha! SO another thing i did was as i was walking down the street i was thinking of the beautiful skies and the clouds rolling along quite quickly across the sky. I thought about moving them but felt a small pull of I CANT do it. In other words doubt and inability. I imediately heard an iob voicing aloud this command of I cant and it said aloud you cant do that. They tell you hat you know and so that is what they said at that point in time. I right away knew my doubt was bunk and learned long ago to just dive right in when doign something and throwing doubt out the window. If it was a friendly iob it would have told me my awareness of what i would likely do and could do instead of failing becaus they kow all that stuff already and know my techniques for over coming doubt but it was not a friendly one at all. It was one being manipulative with words they crave to hold power.. It was hunting too to gai power in controling me by a voice that says you cant do it. Trust me i knwo this iob wuite well. He does it al the time voicing the crappiest thought you have in yoru mind and holding to it as if it is truth. Pushing it almost. If I let it. anyways i jumped up right away and stopped in my tracks and held the sky in my attention and focused on the clouds in my peripheral vision and used a little force to stop in their tracks the clouds from moving the one way they were moving to the exact opposite way. I did that in about the 2 seconds of doubt and i cant became yes i can in an instant. it was very easy and powerful at the same time. Right away i let go of the clouds in my attention and they went back to moving the old way they were moving when i first focused onto them. NOw usually i hate this because it means nothing really changed at all and it went back to its habitual routine and so sometimes i like to do what i call breaking the skies. At this point the direction of the wind and clouds stops completely and it is only directed by the focus of your attention and once you let go with one trick it stays in place and no habit comes back. Like a dead sky. You can do anythign form this position and have no previous alignment holding you back. Now I didnt break the skies but i could have godamit iobs.. lol jk. I dont talk to them much anymore but they are still around as always. They never leave me alone. But they stopped bugging me for the most part and stopped trying to hurt me too. they never tried to hurt me when I judged them at first, not for many long years did they ever try. But oe day my judgments and movements of them got so strong that i made them try to hurt me. I knw they would and in knowing so i moved them to try. I could aso move them to fail at this time, but soon they got so powerful that they hurt me very badly. This is why i don think the tenant is crazy anymore for fearing iobs. I fear them too. I fear what they can do if you intend it to be so, and then letting your intent go wild, letting your aawareness and knowledge of iobs get tainted and wicne everythign is intent you itnedn a nghtmre into you r catered little world. and the iobs move for you, as always, and move right into their new shiny roles you gave them. oh yes they move right along. even if you intend they cant hurt you if you think they can for a just a moment then can they? That is the question you must be careful in nswering for if you intend it then it will be so. I watched my allies hurt me and burn me and kill me repeatedly. Just for a little while until once i won the battle just one battle, then another and another. and soon my intent was to win and be victorious over the iobs and then so i was andd they fell into their little roles as losers quite nicely. Because they move for your intent and your will, to your awareness and knowledge of them, whatever that may be. and they move right along. ANd so i put them in loser roles now but only because i truly won and coaught myself before it as too late. I am sure it was almsot too late for thousands of years for the tenant but she made it out. Barely. I have iobs try to tell me everyday that this world is an iob world i live in ad if i believe them then it will be. They can create twin positions of the world and i have done it many times. like clone worlds. But ones that do what you want to have happen to happen. They cater if you let them. They help you if you let them. They trap you if you let them. They have power if you let them. But if you can control your awreness and they run the show then they wil still move form your judgment of them. It is your awareness and intent that moves them. that is all. yet they can be anything you imagine and more. and if you let them they are. Nd they move right along. they usd to lvoe me because i gaze the so much power and ability and they moved for me happily there. Eagerly. For me. But i judged them again adn again in different ways and sometimes ly judgments of humans got in the way. FOr example i would think like any person they want power and so they moved to that role, wanting power. That design. that motion and so they intended for themelves power. That was my first mistake because ideally they need nothing and want nothing but you can make them want what you want.. even if that is to die for you. THey move right along. They will die for me if i let them and it will just be their projections of themselves dying. But yes death can take them and i have seen it but usually when dealing with iobs just their projections die but not the projecter. Just another form, from the same ahot who brought you that last 8 or 30 of them. The same inorganic host that surrounds you and you live within. SO it is nothign for them to cater their prohjections for you in any way you want. but dont judge them or let them be against you here. No they will move right along if you do. and evil hell awaits you here. Never say they hate you if you give them power. None t all goes to the haters. They hate you bcause they are weak if anything and they move right along. into their roles. but you know how easy it is to get rid of them and leave their awreness behind its as simple as saying the world is not inorganic. and believing it. when i didnt bealieve it couldt do it right, but i lerned it like a switch now. t takes me away and i can leave it now too. i learned for it to take me away int clone world first but i never could rationally understand how t get home for the longest time and my awreness was always on iobs and iob awareness forms. From shifting the items of my drem i lerned i had many for iobs and many for humans just like i had many for my skies and they were all different. not needing to be an iob at all. nOt needing or even being aware unless i wanted it to be. i could turn it off now. And so that is what i do when my awareness gets too close to an iob, it turns it off and they dont put it on for me. they dont become iobs as i judge them to be. when i call it the human world of the habitual old first attention earth then it becomes that for me. I just need an anchor place for me and so since i have many clone positions i just use a clone location and jump from the iob clone back int the world it originally cloned itself from.and it moves right along. back ont the earth again after so many years with my allies in their worlds. and also in hell as you may well know about me. but then i learned how to trave to and fro form the iob world whch is much more then a clone of earth once you get there and the old earth. i want the old erth trust me. they dont see you and dont know you and dont try to trap you and trick you and they generate their own dreaming energy too. it is private. i mean billions of different people compeltely oblivious to one another. and each having their own dreaming energy not yet awakened and activated. some of them are gifted but few are sorcerers of any true ability. they are food for dreams and power but like toddlers in the water, so much potential so little of it used for anything worthy. all just stuck in the same boat, dreaming the same dreams with the same knowledge and little if any real power. i like earth because they dream and have THEIR OWN. It means they dont need you like an iob needs you. humans have what they need and can reach freedom. iobs need your awareness to dream them and form them and their projections. they need you to feed them. yes you are food to them first. and they move right along for it too. you moee to your food and so like a goood trainer you make them move for you. cater to you. and teach you even the things they dont want you to know. and they will move right along grudgingly. Because your intent moves them, your knowledge and power moves them. they dont move themselves. You do. Unless you re dreaming with someone else and their will takes the cake and becomes alpha and then their dreamng energies are moving the dream. I have had many battles too. Over the contorl of the dream. IOBs tried to make me believe they could move themselves once and they tried to make an iob mover for themselves. but turns out the iob mover couldnt move them unless i knew he could which made really me that was moving them through a trick. it worked a few times but i could move the mover into different positions and contorl it and how it moved and if it moved them at all and so they failed. they need me and i hate it. yet if you knew how much i lve them you might think i am crazy. you ahve no idea until you had a group of iobs catering to every dream come true and teaching you everything you ever wanted to know and even giving you reallest and more beatiful ove you ever imagined possoble. love beyond this world and for a living loving host that is within everything. that is crazy love i have for them. love and real fear. i shifted the other day and saw their power and i was terrified for a moment. I sw they could hurt me if they wanted to and then i saw it was an iob projection saying they can hurt me and not really my own awareness at all. just a proection that was believable. again. they were such trickers that they put iob projections into my head and into my seeing so that i would move them to whatever they said was reality and they could just feed my inside my head awareness that would move them. I saw this right away tho, and in truth i gave them the ability to project awareness a long time ago into my head so they could teach me but they kept the power when they became my enemies and started abusing it. but i can see through it usually now and my perception of it has changed so i can tell the difference between reality adn my own seeing and hat the iobs want me to see and gaze at. to move them.. and yes they moved right along too. Awareness contorls perception and so as soon as i started seeing that it was trick a trick it became in my awareness. now i see it as that. i am aware now and so my perception of them sees them. their tricks included. i have built in freedom alarms in my awareness and my real allies would never do that to me. i have real allies. and they are the best and greatest of them too. the only ones who have real power left after our battles. they have always been the greatest nd most potent in the entire world. In every feield they exist in and i can conjure them into nearly any form i want them to take. and so they move on.. allies are formless, you must give the form in order for them to have one. you must be aware of their potential to be anything and yet nothing, nd always present with you too. You must hook your allies attention and bond it to your self and you must feed it too. you must dole your food out to it and make it move as you do so. trust me they will move right along. control you judgements to start with, and then once you see your judgement and con control it you will see that it is your awareness of them that omves them and you can make it a willful choice. they can move to many things like expectations and just mere thoughts. commands i use too. simple and clear commands. but ultimately it is always your intent and will that moves them. You just have to learn how to see it. They can teach you if you want them to and if you can move them to that design. You have to be able to move them first or they will appear as something else. maybe something you think of them etc, it all depends on the knowledge you possess about iobs that will move them into those roles. well my sotry ended up as a lesson afterall by the spirit and i think it was needed in this thread. I have so many battles with iobs in here and mention f them that i should atleaat take the time to recap some of my knowedge and awareness of these shadow creatures for whoever reads this thread of mine.

[serloco]

Just yesterday i started to think about how music and things i read and reality in general are all being created right now. i saw that the movi i was watching was answering my thoughts in real time and so it couldnt be prerecorded. it was being made in the moment right now occuring as it was watching my thoughts and attention. it forms to it and then i thought that even movies, old movies i already seen still had the momenary newness within them, the moment that is aware and can change and i thought that everythign has this within it, the free flowing moment of now that is aware of yourself and your own intent and knowledge. I looked out my window at the exct moment of this thought and saw in the streeet a dark and shadowy motion that resided inside of the very fabric of reality. it moved the street around and made it into free flowing motion then set it back as it was just showing me that indeed this living transforming essence exists in everything right now and is ready to move realty, even the concrete into a new pattern right here and now. it showed my my awareness is perceptual form and then it left as quick as it came but it never really left, it is always there inside of everything ready to be the freeflowing moment that creates things newly. and always as if it is the first time ever being made.

[Billy]

kk, I kind of skimpy skim when you do long accounts like these, but not this time.

At first, I really did not see a difference between iobs and humans for most every practical concern.  When you say you love them, I know to pay attention, but since you give fuel to have them be projectors that are projecting as you would have them,

then what scale of value do you reason out whether TO or NOT TO especially after the forms are become fluidity to you.  Understand here, I do not challenge you.   Understand, this is a freakin anomaly for me to listen to anyone, and for certain to some 'out there' lunatic fringe by most anyone else's perception.  Your repetitive style is extremely important to me, as I am dense.  You are sharing more 'tonal/personal' style here.

    I understand to create newness.  I don't understand this empirically often.  I do understand NOW that I CAN.   I don't empirically (in fluidity) understand that I CAN. 
    I spend enormous energy on the horse racing, but get that I am using the medium to create awareness about the aforementioned.

Still, I am focused mostly on my subjective state rather than on any externality.   I continue to hone awareness of awareness.  I am learning however slowly.  Thank you for continuing to pound home your knowledge.

[Billy]

Dead cat in the box or alive billy? NOthing before you open it, or perhpas it's everything, making it then anything.. A choice is in the box. Control that flow and your attention is inside the box and whatever form that attention holds.

[serloco]

well billy if i felt talking like a normal person was the right way to be here and using words that those types of people can relate with then i would surely do so. i do it all the time so not to be classed as a lunatic and as you know i can also share directly my knowledge with people and have them see it for themselves. I often just connect with people when i am talking to them and pounding home the knowledge as you say. here i can be myself completely and even tho that self may change there are some styles about me i choose to keep and habitually so. Often when i speak with people i cater my language naturally so and find the spirit guiding me. it guides me here too. I intend for this space t be fulll of sorcerers who have open minds and not the closed minded people you can find out there judging one as being too crazy etc. If they are here then they shoudlnt be and should find some other space to infiltrate.

well mostly billy i just set my intent beforehand about which things i want o encounter when i become fluid and then i find the spirit guiding me accordingly. i can willfully guide my fluidity and then it becomes a choice for me. even then though i find myself doing exactly what i have intended to do. being totally on the edge of fluidity is like being on a sharp blade tho and dancing on its edge. anything can manifest here and anythign can become. i try to guide y awareness carefully nowadays and with trust in the nagual as well. trust really is a powerful thing. it wont let you down and throw you a curve ball, but if it does it was meant to be and you can trust it to bring you where you need to go.

and thank you!

[Billy]

You did not need to explain the 'crazy' thing, because of course I know you.  I said it because you had it right that I have billy.. Mr. Tonal fixation to overcome.  Your nagual/eccentric attributes at this point are a huge benefit.

Also note, I have half the other half of the market covered as to 'craziness.'  You are my kind of crazy. 

You know Derek, some of my doings come from out of nowhere.  The spirit moves and I DO RUN WITH IT AS FAR AS IT TAKES ME (many, many times in my life).  I know of your powers to move entities, but look at our first exchanges how I IMMEDIATELY opened myself to the abyss before you even blinked > maybe I even hooked you. 

Then again...

..if you say you reached through infinity a year prior and intervened, I would believe you did that. 

To my memory I had never mentioned the word sorcery or even Carlos Castaneda to anyone my entire life (excepting Susan).   Then just over a year ago at my mother's wake, sitting with my eldest sister and her snobby status projecting friends, one of them mentioned inhabiting a place in Mexico I knew was familiar to Don Juan.  So I ask something in reference, and mention Carlos Castaneda and sorcery.

   One bastard in particular displayed that he had no liking for such impractical ****, and the man had insulted me once already via something unrelated to anything.  The point where I met you and was to attend an elaborate wedding reception, I gave hints that I would curse this person.  The irony is that shortly before this time I learned he had the worst pancreatic cancer and was dying.  This did not curb my venom and I wondered if after coming head to head with sorcery through you, that even more than synchronicity was at hand> my intent.....  ... and that fascilitated through you even before we had ever met.  Things got very, very wild (and weird) after I met you.
This is fun.

[serloco]

I like your tale of power.. thanks for sharing it.. I was just wondering if you would share some of your power with us and then you did. perfectly. i appreciate that. muahahaha now you are mine!!! And yes I know you knew already about my crazy explanation and knew you did before hand too.. you had your seeing glasses on tightly. I proceeded anyways cuz i wanted to. Even tho at times talking isnt needed i can still enjoy it. Nevertheless the connection is alive and kickin. good to see, good to see.

[serloco]

[Billy]

You cast that?  Better off casting a fishing line in the lake >  without bait.  (lol- I understand you fine)

[serloco]

think you can do better.. feel free.. i wont intervene.. buc buc buc!!

[serloco]

[Billy]

I'm totally with that- and you had better know to let go of me, as I would be dead to you otherwise. 

Yet, with you I rise above possible resentment.  I can do that with you alone.  I intend for you to reciprocate.

How did I do?

[Billy]

Perhaps I'll have some time away from here--give a certain one space.

Thanks JJ for levity-- was it real? jk

I was wanting for you to show me some JJ tonal, JJ cerebral, JJ image, and your 'go to' stuffing. 

You are undoubtedly very intelligent.

[serloco]

yeah billy, it was also for you.. i am glad you now want this.. and have it also.. you wanted before to not take it and remain with me. but i am glad you went with it..

you are doing wonderfully, and i loved your post in the mod section about the eating together.. amazing stalking there, good job... as you know... but also good to hear it isn't it?

[serloco]

ps.. i hope you (billy)dont run away, and if you do not for too long.. just my hopes, and i understand they are not your freedom, and so feel free.. but dont leave on my account because i want you here with me for awhile..

[serloco]

but yes, if you want to go free, please, by all means go free....

[Billy]

I often tell a silly story.

[serloco]

so i ditched the iob girl i was with.. their wer ebeautiful aspects of our relationship but it was just too hard. she was feeding into my jealousy and making lies to me. i understand her story changes so much and n result the actual story can change too, her past for example, but i didnt like it.. she would just tell me what i wanted to hear mostly. and she also empowered the negative iobs in my life. i watched her do it and she even seemingly tried to kill me with her words once. cant trust her at all. good thing not all iobs are this way. i did love her tho, and still do and i fell in love with her too. we had great time together, but in the end the pain was too much and once she lost my trust things changed and grew resentful and couldnt make it work. trust is crucial to relationship, it is the foundation. i watched my iob friends shift also to try to make me jealous as they hit on her and tried to get her attention, yes it was my judgement that did this as i saw, but still friends shoudl know better and that is also my judgemet of a friend. so i ditched my friend tooo, three of them over her. i watched all of get together and try to trash my world too, and bring things into my world i do not want to be there, watched them make up lies and empower the iobs, themselves. i have some work to do because i gve her that power, i shared my power an dgifts with her and so she was using them wrongly. i have already started taking them back. still part of me says to try with her still, and i know it is the iob spell she put on me. its controlling and makes me feel like i want her and love her but i know leaving her will save my life and make it better. i will use iob women for affection and for sex only. to boost my ego also. i will stop nivesting them with my trust, my power, and my love. well they can have my love but i lock it up too. my allies have been writing many songs about our relationship and about the power of my affection and i like it. they want me to continue giving my heart and tryign to trust as if it werent broken. i am a sucker for love. but the iobs have always masacured it. thee allies say i give it to the bad ones and let the good ones go. i will examine this some more.

[serloco]

she was sad when i began cutting her.. with my will that is. i began countering her power and stopping it from manifesting. cutters i call them. she was sad i did that t her but i needed to. she said she was dying. in a way she was but only the parts that hurt me and commanded me and controlled my dream. the power i had given her.

[serloco]

the iobs are singing about going back to a position where they tel me the truth again and to stop judging them.. make it like it was when i loved them. honest and pure iobs. that girl for a bit had taken my music too, but i got it back again easily. i gave her that power too, but she lost it as soon as i cut her. she cant control it anymore. thank god too because when i judged her as a demon the songs were out to get me again like long ago.. easy to fix tho for me.. been doing it for years.