Schizophrenia

[watergaze]

as an example, this is a video I watched today. It is a healing method (regression therapy) that has roots in shamanism: 
(The process of the method is not explained all too well in the video, but the gist is there. and it provides examples that are typical and in which this method can help and it is explained how)

seems not too far off from what you are talking about. 

I would like an actual example of a human illness with a process how the method can help cure this person. The example of the dog is touching but it seems very extreme and out of the ordinary. I am looking for a common, more typical example of an illness and how it can be cured.

Also, the dog is not cured. sadly. In the sense that, as far as I understood the article, if separation occurs again he might display symptoms again.

[watergaze]

you can tell us about your experience/ healing with this method (as in providing your issue/illness as an example - of it is representative). If you do not mind being more personal in that regard. Or give a made up example that conforms to how you understand things working.

[Djete]

Yeah, for example the dog’s superconciousness is the Nature and the dog cannot intend the relapse, so his evolution is determined (limited) by the cycle of Nature itself (with every conflict/healing/relapse cycle the Dog becomes stronger) but a human being can go beyond and being beyond(total) means not being determined or limited by a desise

[Pixie Dust]

Human potential varies and is dependent upon numerous factors.  Some individuals are limited by their emotions and desires.  Some are not.  Sometimes this is related to individual biology.  Other times it relates to the environment.  Most times there's a combination of features leading to an individual outcome regarding mental health. Take psychopaths for example:

Psychopaths are impulsive, irresponsible, and manipulative according to the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  These traits cause measurable behavioral symptoms such as consistent aggression, antisocial behavior, and violent crimes (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  50 participants were used from a federal male prison who were convicted of homicide (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  Results indicate psychopaths are more predatory than others, often engaging in more planning than other offenders (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  Most homicides by psychopaths are instrumental (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  An interesting feature of psychopaths is their increased likelihood to omit significant details of their crimes (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  This is known as deception by omission and psychopaths are known to leave out details which indicate less planning and more reactivity for their crimes than initially shared during the initial interview (by law enforcement) (Porter & Woodworth, 2007).  This may be because it is more acceptable, socially, to momentarily lose emotional control whereas premeditated homicides or violent crimes are less excusable and indicate a mental instability.


Reference
Porter, S., & Woodworth, M. (2006;2007. I'm sorry I did it ..but he started it: A comparison of the official and self-reported homicide descriptions of psychopaths and non-psychopaths. Law and Human Behavior, 31(1), 91-107. doi:10.1007/s10979-006-9033-0

[serloco]

Now I have had numerous telepathic experiences in my life. Thousands of them. However in the beginning I sought to make telepathic contact with people and my ind generated the response. It fabricated voices in my head pretending to be the target i was engaging telepathy with. It was annoying because I couldnt tell which was my mind and which was the target. 

Another way I began my psychosis was when I learned to draw spirits. I learned to manifest living life forms. I then manifested about 50 spirits and gave them personalities and power etc for each one. These beings resided partially within my  mind for many years. My doctor believes these beings are hallucinations created by my mind and not living life forms. I do not really know. It could be. I DID intend living beings when I set out to manifest them, however the mind is a tricky lil organ.

[Pixie Dust]

Serloco,

By the way, just wanted to say thanks for the turn to niacin.  Besides being a mood enhancer, there are significant other benefits related to digestion, memory, dreaming (right?!), and beyond.  With better blood flow the entire body functions better.  That was a really interesting find.

Why the f*ck we're still giving out second generation psychotropic medications is beyond my understanding.  We're also giving those out to kids now!  There are no long-term studies on how second generation psychotropic medications impact developing bodies.  The first generation psychotropics ruined families.

I mean, I understand that it comes down to profit.  At the expense of surrounding oneself with humanity that will forever be a burden on society because we made and keep them that way?  The healthcare industry is mislabeled.  The healthcare industry has stopped caring about health when they put profit as the priority.

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
Another way I began my psychosis was when I learned to draw spirits. I learned to manifest living life forms. I then manifested about 50 spirits and gave them personalities and power etc for each one. These beings resided partially within my  mind for many years. My doctor believes these beings are hallucinations created by my mind and not living life forms. I do not really know. It could be. I DID intend living beings when I set out to manifest them, however the mind is a tricky lil organ. 

Yeah, the mental health doctors would label voices, without body, as hallucinations.  However, think of all the psychics in the world.  Many psychics aren't diagnosed with schizophrenia.  To receive the diagnosis one must be (among other things) dysfunctional.  If you are functional then you don't have a mental illness, even if you hear voices.  Now, some people may appear dysfunctional to others, but there actually needs to be specific symptomology met before a diagnosis can be made.

Really, hearing voices isn't a bad thing.  It can be a very good thing.  Maybe just don't go sticking your head into the mind (target) of a pedophile and I'm sure you'll be fine.  I would refrain from psychopaths, serial killers, and narcissists too.  Those are kinda gross.  

A note on serial killers: these aren't necessarily gross.  Many soldiers become serial killers during wartime and wind up with PTSD.  The reason to refrain from this population is that it's just very intense to absorb that energy.  

The voices you hear could be real or not.  Whatever the case, use those moments to reflect and use them productively.  Some of my best friends hear voices and they have been a blessing within my life.  I'm pretty fond of schizophrenics, they're amazing people.

[serloco]

Oh yeah for sure, niacin helps you live longer among many other benefits. My research on vitamins has proven very rewarding. It seems just having the right balance of vitamins and minerals can in fact cure most any ailment. Now its obvious what big pharma thinks about this. Every turn I take in my research is big pharma pushing their meds over natural remedies. I think natural healing is the way to go.  Now chronic ailments take time for the body to heal and reset itself but even still vitamins and minerals can even heal them. I been taking so many vitamins now and am feeling incredible. I love waking up to take my massive inventory of vitamins, herbs, and supplements. 

I have used Anti-psychotics for a few years now and all I can say is that for the thousands of dollars I spent I have received next to nothing in help. The side-effects are incredible too. Now I can regulate my body to stop most of the side-effects but most people cant do that. A.P.'s cause damage to the mind too. Not to mention they give you a whole list of other ailments if you are not careful. Like taking them gives you anxiety and so then you need to take an anxiety med, etc etc, the process continues. I believe that so many of their meds are designed to do just that, give you more problems and thus more meds. 

I dont trust medds at all anymore and refuse to take them now. There was a good question posed by one of the people I heard speak recently and it was "how many people do you know who are on a whack of meds that actually get better?"

[serloco]

Pixie Dust wrote:
serloco wrote:
Another way I began my psychosis was when I learned to draw spirits. I learned to manifest living life forms. I then manifested about 50 spirits and gave them personalities and power etc for each one. These beings resided partially within my  mind for many years. My doctor believes these beings are hallucinations created by my mind and not living life forms. I do not really know. It could be. I DID intend living beings when I set out to manifest them, however the mind is a tricky lil organ. 

Yeah, the mental health doctors would label voices, without body, as hallucinations.  However, think of all the psychics in the world.  Many psychics aren't diagnosed with schizophrenia.  To receive the diagnosis one must be (among other things) dysfunctional.  If you are functional then you don't have a mental illness, even if you hear voices.  Now, some people may appear dysfunctional to others, but there actually needs to be specific symptomology met before a diagnosis can be made.

Really, hearing voices isn't a bad thing.  It can be a very good thing.  Maybe just don't go sticking your head into the mind (target) of a pedophile and I'm sure you'll be fine.  I would refrain from psychopaths, serial killers, and narcissists too.  Those are kinda gross.  

A note on serial killers: these aren't necessarily gross.  Many soldiers become serial killers during wartime and wind up with PTSD.  The reason to refrain from this population is that it's just very intense to absorb that energy.  

The voices you hear could be real or not.  Whatever the case, use those moments to reflect and use them productively.  Some of my best friends hear voices and they have been a blessing within my life.  I'm pretty fond of schizophrenics, they're amazing people.

Yes, I have read many articles on shamans, and schizophrenics, and they say moany of them are blessed, and gifted beings. I wonder if the industry labels them to protect society. Many report having super-powers, like being able to contorl others. Etc etc. I think many are jus enhanced, evolved beings, and go beyond the average way of people. The next step in evolution perhaps. Now its true that many can not handle their gifts and are left being dysfunctional.

[Pixie Dust]

Heh, yeah, you're right.  Medications are a hot mess, in general.  It's nice though, many are turning to more natural remedies instead of doing prescriptions.  There's a rise in homeopathy and desire for homeopaths.  That's always the response though to an imbalance--something rises to accommodate the demand for a better product.  I just hope we don't cripple humanity before we have time to fix ourselves.

The mental health industry is a mess, Serloco.  I wouldn't touch their meds with a ten-foot pole.

[Pixie Dust]

Sorry, as an add-on to my prior thought: their (the field of psychology) understanding is primitive.  Particularly in the area of addiction and I could tell you, academically, why I think that (but I'll just assume you're ok that I don't cite references).  Anyway.  Psychology is still a very young field and has a lot more growth to do in the understanding of the mind and how to treat people in order to heal them instead of fixing them.... they aren't broken.  They're hurting.  There's a difference.

[serloco]

They say that dependence on medications alone are debilitating on the mind. Recent research has proven that 67% of schizophrenics recover off of meds while only 7% recover on them. This is because medications make the mind dependent on them to reduce symptoms and off of medications the patient deals with the illness, the mind, naturally using coping methods. 

I am lucky that the medications have done nothing for my illness. I am treatment resistant.  That is, I believe, because I dont believe in the meds to help me. I take med after med and it does nothing for my symptoms. I, however, have great coping methods and so have made myself strong, and able to come off my meds. Its been about 2 weeks now off my meds and I am still healthy and strong. I suspect that i will have no relapse because of my vitamins, herbs, supplements, and coping methods.

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:
serloco wrote:
Another way I began my psychosis was when I learned to draw spirits. I learned to manifest living life forms. I then manifested about 50 spirits and gave them personalities and power etc for each one. These beings resided partially within my  mind for many years. My doctor believes these beings are hallucinations created by my mind and not living life forms. I do not really know. It could be. I DID intend living beings when I set out to manifest them, however the mind is a tricky lil organ. 

Yeah, the mental health doctors would label voices, without body, as hallucinations.  However, think of all the psychics in the world.  Many psychics aren't diagnosed with schizophrenia.  To receive the diagnosis one must be (among other things) dysfunctional.  If you are functional then you don't have a mental illness, even if you hear voices.  Now, some people may appear dysfunctional to others, but there actually needs to be specific symptomology met before a diagnosis can be made.

Really, hearing voices isn't a bad thing.  It can be a very good thing.  Maybe just don't go sticking your head into the mind (target) of a pedophile and I'm sure you'll be fine.  I would refrain from psychopaths, serial killers, and narcissists too.  Those are kinda gross.  

A note on serial killers: these aren't necessarily gross.  Many soldiers become serial killers during wartime and wind up with PTSD.  The reason to refrain from this population is that it's just very intense to absorb that energy.  

The voices you hear could be real or not.  Whatever the case, use those moments to reflect and use them productively.  Some of my best friends hear voices and they have been a blessing within my life.  I'm pretty fond of schizophrenics, they're amazing people.

Yes, I have read many articles on shamans, and schizophrenics, and they say moany of them are blessed, and gifted beings. I wonder if the industry labels them to protect society. Many report having super-powers, like being able to contorl others. Etc etc. I think many are jus enhanced, evolved beings, and go beyond the average way of people. The next step in evolution perhaps. Now its true that many can not handle their gifts and are left being dysfunctional. 

I recently saw a news feature of a shaman who thought he was aligned with alligators.... and when he tried to prove his ability, by jumping into the water with alligators, he was eaten.  Lol.  So, maybe the crazy ones kill themselves with their beliefs.

Honestly, I think the industry labels people because they don't have any f*cking clue what to do or how to understand the complex situation being brought to them.  I think it probably started out as ignorance, then became misinformation (malice) when profit began to change the entire healthcare scene.  

Think about this too: you're not crazy (diagnosed with a disorder) until you see a professional, who has paid to be educated by the system that uses medication within their agenda, and they tell you that there's something wrong with you.  If you're lucky, behavioral therapy will address the minor misadaptation.  If you're unlikely, you'll be diagnosed with schizophrenia and put onto a lifetime medication to address the severe mental illness.  

It's a super stupid system.  It sounds a lot like the realm of finsubs.  Paying others to tell you you're broken.

[Djete]

Hey im actually from fbi, youre all under arrest

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
They say that dependence on medications alone are debilitating on the mind. Recent research has proven that 67% of schizophrenics recover off of meds while only 7% recover on them. This is because medications make the mind dependent on them to reduce symptoms and off of medications the patient deals with the illness, the mind, naturally using coping methods. 

I am lucky that the medications have done nothing for my illness. I am treatment resistant.  That is, I believe, because I dont believe in the meds to help me. I take med after med and it does nothing for my symptoms. I, however, have great coping methods and so have made myself strong, and able to come off my meds. Its been about 2 weeks now off my meds and I am still healthy and strong. I suspect that i will have no relapse because of my vitamins, herbs, supplements, and coping methods. 

I'm so happy for you! Yeah, it takes some research on oneself and what's available to find what best supports you. I believe in vitamins, supplements, and healthy coping methods too

There's a ton of research on addiction supporting what you're saying. Good for you for healing yourself. I'm proud of you. That's not easy.

[serloco]

Oh yes, and those drugs merely put you into a stupor. Make you drool and be shut off emotionally and mentally from the world. I was on a super high dose but my body is strong and so it makes me immune to the drugs. I am lucky. But being in the circle has guided me to many other patients and they are not so lucky. They are on cocktails of drugs and often for very lil reason. I talked to my psychiatrist and he said he gets paid every time he writes a prescription!! Get a load of that right!? Not to mention the industry, big pharma, spends billions advertising to doctors so they get the meds to the patients. 

Its sad that there is no big money in vitamins and minerals because they really help and yet no testing gets done on them because there is no money to be made. The only testing i ever see done is to dissuade people from using them, or to show they work WITH the med to help. I found hundreds of articles supporting the use of vitamins WITH the recommended medication, and big pharma always seems to hint that it works in conjunction with the med to deliver the results they found that work. Never do I find scientific data proving that the vitamin works independently on its own. Well rarely. Now vitamins are vitmains right? Of course they work independently without the medication. They are not carefully designed to work with the medications, although if big pharma had their way they would be.

[serloco]

Pixie Dust wrote:
serloco wrote:
They say that dependence on medications alone are debilitating on the mind. Recent research has proven that 67% of schizophrenics recover off of meds while only 7% recover on them. This is because medications make the mind dependent on them to reduce symptoms and off of medications the patient deals with the illness, the mind, naturally using coping methods. 

I am lucky that the medications have done nothing for my illness. I am treatment resistant.  That is, I believe, because I dont believe in the meds to help me. I take med after med and it does nothing for my symptoms. I, however, have great coping methods and so have made myself strong, and able to come off my meds. Its been about 2 weeks now off my meds and I am still healthy and strong. I suspect that i will have no relapse because of my vitamins, herbs, supplements, and coping methods. 

I'm so happy for you!  Yeah, it takes some research on oneself and what's available to find what best supports you.  I believe in vitamins, supplements, and healthy coping methods too

There's a ton of research on addiction supporting what you're saying.  Good for you for healing yourself.  I'm proud of you.  That's not easy.

Thanks, I appreciate that. They say the number one cause forrecovery from schizoprenia is having a positive psychosocial interaction circle. People who support yoru recovery and support you. People, in the past times, were always told they would be sick their entire lives and meds were the only way to stay somewhat sane. They were given lil hope to achieve a full recoevery. These days thigns have changed and new data showes promise. Yay!

[serloco]

Djete wrote:
Hey im actually from fbi, youre all under arrest

Go and investigate Big Pharma!

[Djete]

I realize now how german new medicine (teaching) is very uncomprehending in its lack of systematization on a symbolical level and then archetypal. It is just a sum of biological “laws” intervining each other without the life of a moving, living symbol to encompass with

[serloco]

The voices, the spirits I created, have projections of bodies. They started out divided in my mind. Some ended up being friendly protectors, and some ended being demonic beasts. Over time I have worked with them and have gotten most of the bad ones to be good. It pays to have protectors of the mind. Now in my experience having a split mind can be a blessing or a tragedy. It depends on the alignment of good or bad. Having a protector mind can be a very great aid, and yet having an enemy mind can be horrendous.

However, that being the case, working with your own perception of your mind is key here. If you view the mind as an enemy, then an enemy it will be. Vise-versa. Delusions of the mind come into play here, and delusions should be moulded appropriately in order to serve you as opposed to hinder you.

[watergaze]

[serloco]

Vitamins, minerals and supplements for schizophrenia include;

B complex;

Thiamine (Vitamin B1):
This vitamin improves a variety of symptoms of schizophrenia. 


Niacin (Vitamin B3):
Studies show a 90% recoervy in first year patients, and gradual recovery extending from a 6 month to 5 year full recovery.

Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6): 
B6 has been proposed as a general adjunct to antipsychotics.
Folate/Folic Acid (Vitamin B9): 
The most recent study has discovered a link between those with a variation of a gene important in metabolizing folate and its effect on negative symptoms of schizophrenia. Researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital followed 140 people with schizophrenia over 4 months and found those with a high-functioning FOLH1 gene responded better to folate (2 mg) and B12 (400 mcg) supplements. This was attributed to better processing of the supplements, resulting in a reduction of apathy, withdrawal, and inability to display emotion. One researcher stated the study results are important since to date, there has been nothing widely accepted shown to work.
Vitamin B9 may also reduce metabolic syndrome (which, among other things, includes cardiovascular changes and weight gain) that some people develop while taking newer antipsychotics.


Cobalamin (Vitamin B12):

When taken with folic acid, it can improve negative symptoms of schizophrenia, perhaps because B12 metabolism is altered in some people with schizophrenia.

Vitamin C

vitamin C reduces oxidative stress and improves the outcome of schizophrenia. Vitamin C reverses ascorbic acid levels, reduces oxidative stress, and improves BPRS score, hence can be used in the treatment of schizophrenia. 

Vitamin D

Vitamin D deficiency is associated with more severe symptoms. Observed significant improvement in treatment outcomes utilizing vitamin D 5,000 to 10,000 i.u. once daily as an adjunct therapy. 

Vitamin E

Vitamin E has been proposed as a treatment that may help alleviate tardive dyskinesia, a common side effect of antipsychotic medication. Oral supplementation of antioxidants in combination reduces oxidative stress and improves clinical symptoms.

Omega 3 fish oil (EPA DHA)

Benefits of omega-3 fatty acids in averting psychosis seen for years after fish oil supplements stopped being taken. In what is to be believed the first study of its kind, new research has revealed the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil may be effective for reducing the risk of psychosis







http://schizophrenia.com/?page_id=716
https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/a ... izophrenia
http://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/the ... -1279.html
http://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/schizo ... le/432994/

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
Oh yes, and those drugs merely put you into a stupor. Make you drool and be shut off emotionally and mentally from the world. I was on a super high dose but my body is strong and so it makes me immune to the drugs. I am lucky. But being in the circle has guided me to many other patients and they are not so lucky. They are on cocktails of drugs and often for very lil reason. I talked to my psychiatrist and he said he gets paid every time he writes a prescription!! Get a load of that right!? Not to mention the industry, big pharma, spends billions advertising to doctors so they get the meds to the patients. 

Its sad that there is no big money in vitamins and minerals because they really help and yet no testing gets done on them because there is no money to be made. The only testing i ever see done is to dissuade people from using them, or to show they work WITH the med to help. I found hundreds of articles supporting the use of vitamins WITH the recommended medication, and big pharma always seems to hint that it works in conjunction with the med to deliver the results they found that work. Never do I find scientific data proving that the vitamin works independently on its own. Well rarely. Now vitamins are vitmains right? Of course they work independently without the medication. They are not carefully designed to work with the medications, although if big pharma had their way they would be. 

YEEEEEEESSSSSSS!

Yeah, that and consider that studies require resources.  Studies are funded and are typically expensive.  Big pharma funds these studies, sometimes even their own studies.  Conflict of interest doesn't seem to be a concern for the healthcare industry... but I mean, is that even what it is now?  

Lots of clout in the association.

[serloco]

Pixie Dust wrote:
serloco wrote:
Oh yes, and those drugs merely put you into a stupor. Make you drool and be shut off emotionally and mentally from the world. I was on a super high dose but my body is strong and so it makes me immune to the drugs. I am lucky. But being in the circle has guided me to many other patients and they are not so lucky. They are on cocktails of drugs and often for very lil reason. I talked to my psychiatrist and he said he gets paid every time he writes a prescription!! Get a load of that right!? Not to mention the industry, big pharma, spends billions advertising to doctors so they get the meds to the patients. 

Its sad that there is no big money in vitamins and minerals because they really help and yet no testing gets done on them because there is no money to be made. The only testing i ever see done is to dissuade people from using them, or to show they work WITH the med to help. I found hundreds of articles supporting the use of vitamins WITH the recommended medication, and big pharma always seems to hint that it works in conjunction with the med to deliver the results they found that work. Never do I find scientific data proving that the vitamin works independently on its own. Well rarely. Now vitamins are vitmains right? Of course they work independently without the medication. They are not carefully designed to work with the medications, although if big pharma had their way they would be. 

YEEEEEEESSSSSSS!

Yeah, that and consider that studies require resources.  Studies are funded and are typically expensive.  Big pharma funds these studies, sometimes even their own studies.  Conflict of interest doesn't seem to be a concern for the healthcare industry... but I mean, is that even what it is now?  

Lots of clout in the association.

Oh yes for sure. The FDA actually doesnt do any testing. It is the responsibility of the company seeking approval to market a drug to conduct laboratory and animal tests on the safety and effectiveness of a proposed new drug and then to submit that information to FDA for review!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[serloco]

Pixie Dust wrote:
serloco wrote:They say the number one cause forrecovery from schizoprenia is having a positive psychosocial interaction circle. People who support yoru recovery and support you. 

Imagine that... the cure for schizophrenia is a loving and kind support group.  Talk about overcomplicating a simple thing.  

Yes but the media paints a pretty awful picture of schizophrenics. I can't tell hardly anyone I have the illness or I get judged and treated poorly.